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Old July 12th, 2015, 01:51 PM   #1
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Radical Austerity’s Brutal Lies: Krugman, Chomsky seeing Through Neoliberal Lies

Radical Austerity?s Brutal Lies: How Krugman and Chomsky Saw Through Dehumanizing Neoliberal Spin | Alternet

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Start to finish, Tsipras had one thing on his mind: values. What are the values by which we should live? From what do we all derive our identities? These were his implicit questions, to which his answers could not have been clearer.

Among E.U. officials, Tsipras and his government have been dismissed since he took office in January as amateurs, irresponsible grandstanders, dreamers, dangers, neophytes, incompetents. The technocrats in Brussels and Frankfurt would never in a millennium take any interest in this kind of thinking, to say nothing of learning from it, and this is entirely natural: They do not respect any such values and do not think Europeans should live by them.

Gradually since the early 1970s, when American corporations and political elites began to consolidate the neoliberal order as we now have it, it has come to determine Europe’s direction, too. The Greek crisis, if we understand it as essentially political rather than financial or economic, was thus 40 years or so in the making. Sooner or later, neoliberalism was going to collide with someone or other’s democratic process.

Yanis Varoufakis, Tsipras’ now departed finance minister, sent out a superbly revealing tweet after the prime minister announced the referendum late last month and the E.U. started in on its campaign to subvert the Syriza government in favor of one more pliant. “Democracy deserves a boost in euro-related matters,” Varoufakis wrote. “We have just delivered it. Let the people decide. (Funny how radical this concept sounds.)”

Depends on what you mean by “funny.” I take the funny part to be a measure of just how far we have let our values slide in the face of neoliberalism’s 40-year advance toward cast-iron orthodoxy. You have to take a page from Elvis Costello at this point and ask, What’s so funny about human dignity, strength, virtue (in the sense of moral character and humane intent)?

Lionel Jospin, the Socialist premier of France on either side of the millennium, used to say, “Market economy, not market society.” Sensible and modest, you may think, but name a European leader who would touch such a thought with a pole these days. Another measure of how far and fast we have come (or gone).

I dwell on this question of values because the Greeks have just shown us something very vital. Neoliberalism, as it operates through corporations, political elites, and corrupted media striking poses of authority, does not degenerate only our towns, traditions, environments, local fabric, culture and so on. At bottom it is well along in destroying the values that give value, in turn, to all such things.

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I've just taken a middle cut, but this is a good opinion piece. The world does come down to values. What do you value? What is your value of "life"?
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Neoliberalism has destroyed Greece, and is well on the way to destroying us. Greece’s political parties have taken turns plundering the country and then accusing each other of creating the same mess. Greece has created the bloated public service, inefficiency and incompetence that has made the country ungovernable. Transparency International annually ranks Greece among the most corrupt countries, not just in Europe, but in the world and there’s a good reason for it. Nearly everyone is on the take, from tax inspectors to politicians, doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers, clerk, driving inspectors and anyone who has something to gain by making someone else pay for it. Kind 'a sounds like the U.S. of A, doesn't it?!
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Neoliberalism has destroyed Greece, and is well on the way to destroying us. Greece’s political parties have taken turns plundering the country and then accusing each other of creating the same mess. Greece has created the bloated public service, inefficiency and incompetence that has made the country ungovernable. Transparency International annually ranks Greece among the most corrupt countries, not just in Europe, but in the world and there’s a good reason for it. Nearly everyone is on the take, from tax inspectors to politicians, doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers, clerk, driving inspectors and anyone who has something to gain by making someone else pay for it. Kind 'a sounds like the U.S. of A, doesn't it?!
It is and has been the US since Reagan took office.
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It is and has been the US since Reagan took office.
It has been since "WE" allowed a Central government, and a Court that no longer adheres to the their Constitutional limitations. Democrat vs. Republican, an exercise in futility. There's not a nickels worth of difference between the two Parties. What we have is a government answerable only to themselves. The Permanent Political Class, known as the Federal government, with the help of the Court has ensured their power over the will of the people. The symbiotic-relationship with big-business allows almost complete control over the citizens. There are those (idiots) on both sides that are willing to give up their personal, and collective rights as citizens for the carrot called "entitlements". The road to economic ruin like we see in Greece started long before Reagan. Both Parties are vying for power and they'll do anything to achieve it. The cultural shift is paramount to achieving that goal. Both Parties are pushing it. Maybe it's time you started thinking about what your giving up before you start applauding the RINO's and the Progressives.
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I've just taken a middle cut, but this is a good opinion piece. The world does come down to values. What do you value? What is your value of "life"?
Yeah but, what you fail to grasp is the only way you can fix these things are throwing millions of people into the streets with no hope, no money, and let them pull themselves up by their boot straps, and in the case of children, and senior citizens, small boot straps, and give millionaires and billionaires more tax cuts.

For freedom and liberty.

Don't you know that's the only way it can be done. It has a proven track record of success.
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Yeah but, what you fail to grasp is the only way you can fix these things are throwing millions of people into the streets with no hope, no money, and let them pull themselves up by their boot straps, and in the case of children, and senior citizens, small boot straps, and give millionaires and billionaires more tax cuts.

For freedom and liberty.

Don't you know that's the only way it can be done. It has a proven track record of success.
What kind of freedom are you talking about?
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I hope the Greek people riot in the streets to prevent this latest agreement from passing in the Greek parliament. Greece has had a huge problem collecting taxes owed by it's wealthiest citizens. They don't have an IRS equivalent to crack down on these people because it's corrupted. Do you know how the EU plans to deal with that problem in their latest proposal ? Create a VAT tax, that's how. What that means is the wealthiest Greeks get to skate while those seeing their pensions cut receive the privilege of higher taxes. That's totally immoral.
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I hope the Greek people riot in the streets to prevent this latest agreement from passing in the Greek parliament. Greece has had a huge problem collecting taxes owed by it's wealthiest citizens. They don't have an IRS equivalent to crack down on these people because it's corrupted. Do you know how the EU plans to deal with that problem in their latest proposal ? Create a VAT tax, that's how. What that means is the wealthiest Greeks get to skate while those seeing their pensions cut receive the privilege of higher taxes. That's totally immoral.
Yep, the Euro zone needs the equivalent of an IRS to go after tax scofflaws all over the union, not just in Greece.
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Yep, the Euro zone needs the equivalent of an IRS to go after tax scofflaws all over the union, not just in Greece.
The Right keeps claiming that we're going to be like Greece someday because of our debt when the truth is we will be like Greece someday if they abolish the IRS like they want to do.
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I hope the Greek people riot in the streets to prevent this latest agreement from passing in the Greek parliament. Greece has had a huge problem collecting taxes owed by it's wealthiest citizens. They don't have an IRS equivalent to crack down on these people because it's corrupted. Do you know how the EU plans to deal with that problem in their latest proposal ? Create a VAT tax, that's how. What that means is the wealthiest Greeks get to skate while those seeing their pensions cut receive the privilege of higher taxes. That's totally immoral.
So all their debt is forgiven. What in the world makes you think they would do anything differently and wouldn't be in exactly the same situation in a few years? And the people just keep voting "give me more free stuff" in general elections and plebiscites.

They don't have an IRS because they didn't vote for representatives that would deliver them.

Either let them starve or come in, armed if necessary and run the place with some of the meanest cops you ever saw. What other options are there?
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