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Old July 20th, 2015, 03:42 PM   #11
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So somebody that does physical labor their whole life should have to work until they're 70 before they can receive their benefits?

Are you aware that over 50% of Americans have no retirement savings?

I'll ask you the same question.

Are you going to allow these tens of millions of broke, homeless, people camp out over at your house?

Do you think they are just going away some place else as to not be an inconvenience to you?

Given the fact that the [program is the most successful, and popular government program ever enacted, just how much political support do you think there is for it?

Do you know how many people would have lost their life savings in 2008 if the program had been privatized?

I whole heartedly disagree with you here, and completely agree with the author of the article.

First I don't need some sanctimonious asshole telling me what the retirement age should be, and certainly not some sanctimonious asshole that never worked an honest day in their life, born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Second, the SS tax cap should be eliminated, and the retirement age lowered to 62.

It's about economic necessity alright. The necessity to turn back the clock and end the disatrous trickle down economics of Ronald Reagan that destroyed the middle class in this country.

The author was also right when he stated the biggest retirement scam ever perpetrated on the American people was born. The 401(k).

People are either not old enough to remember, or have wrong headedly come to accept that this is the new normal, but there's nothing normal about it, and it can be repealed.
That's your opinion. I disagree with most of your points. The SS was never intended to be an end-all and be-all retirement program, it was to help out the lesser fortunate, or stupider, depending on your point of view.

You are going back to a "the world owes me a living" attitude and I am violently against that.
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Old July 20th, 2015, 03:58 PM   #12
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"First I don't need some sanctimonious asshole telling me what the retirement age should be"
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Nobody is telling you what age you can retire. They are only placing an age on when you can beg for that specific portion of your income back. You could retire tomorrow if you wanted. If people weren't so brainwashed into thinking that third party interference was a necessity for their wellbeing maybe they wouldn't get so freaked out about entitlement programs.

It is your future I shouldn't be responsible for it.
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"First I don't need some sanctimonious asshole telling me what the retirement age should be"
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Nobody is telling you what age you can retire. They are only placing an age on when you can beg for that specific portion of your income back. You could retire tomorrow if you wanted. If people weren't so brainwashed into thinking that third party interference was a necessity for their wellbeing maybe they wouldn't get so freaked out about entitlement programs.

It is your future I shouldn't be responsible for it.
How is it you're responsible for something people paid into their whole lives?

You do realize that poverty would be much worse without Social Security right?
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How is it you're responsible for something people paid into their whole lives?

You do realize that poverty would be much worse without Social Security right?
All they have to do is eliminate the cap on the SS tax or means test it and it's good for another 50 years.
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That's your opinion. I disagree with most of your points. The SS was never intended to be an end-all and be-all retirement program, it was to help out the lesser fortunate, or stupider, depending on your point of view.

You are going back to a "the world owes me a living" attitude and I am violently against that.
How is someone who worked and paid into a system their whole life somehow projecting they are owed a living?

How stupid would people who opted out of the program and would have lost their savings after the crash in 2008?

So 60 million people are just stupid?

Actually Social Security was intended to be exactly that. A way for people that were not educated at investing to have a retirement income to at the very least pay the rent and buy groceries.

And is the most successful government program ever enacted.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't going anywhere, and there is popular support for it being expanded.

You would really like India. Their Caste system fits your worldview nicely.
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All they have to do is eliminate the cap on the SS tax or means test it and it's good for another 50 years.
And that would make it a lie because it would then be just another tax.

And whether that's good or bad is a separate discussion, as is how responsible is the government for cradle to grave care.
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All they have to do is eliminate the cap on the SS tax or means test it and it's good for another 50 years.
So Give Government more money so democrats can spend it on everything but SS..


We need to do what FDR said we should do.. PRIVITIZE it. FDR when he instituted SS congress would see a stockpile of money to steal.

31 years later the process started so the democrats could pay for Vietnam.. Then welfare..
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And that would make it a lie because then it would thenbe just another tax.

And whether that's good or bad is a separate discussion, as is how responsible is the government for cradle to grave care.
Go ahead, choose your poison RNG. Companies have done away with pensions and the average American has a badly underfunded 401k. If you'd rather deal with indigent seniors through the Medicaid program instead, then so be it. I'm a realist.
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Go ahead, choose your poison RNG. Companies have done away with pensions and the average American has a badly underfunded 401k. If you'd rather deal with indigent seniors through the Medicaid program instead, then so be it. I'm a realist.
Me too, but don't call a duck a sheep. And Medicaid isn't going to provide rent.

But people have to get the idea that they are responsible for their own welfare.

My god, Reagan did this when? So why should anyone be upset now? And as I said, Jeb wasn't very politic, but made sense economically.
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How is it you're responsible for something people paid into their whole lives?

You do realize that poverty would be much worse without Social Security right?
I'm not saying that they shouldn't get their money back. Just in a lump sum. Now.

You do understand how it works right? There is no war chest. The money I pay in today goes out tomorrow. So I am responsible for it. The government is stealing my income to give it to someone else.
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