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Old August 7th, 2015, 12:57 AM   #21
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I'm sorry, none of your counter argument hold water.
1) The people at the top got there because of education and hard work.

Actually, a lot of it is the rich educating their children. The republicans have removed most of the access to higher education from the middle class and poor.

2) Why are wages stagnate? Could it be because we importing uneducated, unskilled workers who are flooding the non-skilled job market?

Corporations have been putting undocumented workers here. And it's not just the unskilled. Many doctors in hospitals are here on VISAS as well as other engineers, etc.

3) It's not about how hard a person works. It's about how much educated and job skills, and necessary talent you bring to the job-table.

It's a lot about how hard you work AND who you know. It's about connections and it's about getting on in a business and then knowing how to apply for corporate welfare.

We are no longer a manufacturing country. Clinton made sure of that. We are now a high-tech country and if you don't posses those skills, you make $7.00 an hour flipping burgers. Remember the old adage, "supply & demand".
Reagan made sure of that with Bush following up and getting NAFTA signed as a treaty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txukr5zgHnw

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Old August 7th, 2015, 12:20 PM   #22
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Reagan made sure of that with Bush following up and getting NAFTA signed as a treaty.

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Bush did not sign NAFTA.
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Old August 7th, 2015, 12:34 PM   #23
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Bush did not sign NAFTA.

He keeps forgetting.



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Old August 7th, 2015, 12:48 PM   #24
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I'm sorry, none of your counter argument hold water.
Cause you're not listening to what I am actually saying.


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1) The people at the top got there because of education and hard work.
Meaningless to what I am saying.
As I already stated, I am not arguing they should not be earning more money.
My point is the growth should be unilaterally distributed. When worker's wages are stagnant but the CEO's are growing by leaps and bounds, that messed up.


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2) Why are wages stagnate? Could it be because we importing uneducated, unskilled workers who are flooding the non-skilled job market?
Without a surprise, conservatives jump to denigrate the workers.
Your claim is b.s. Of course you provide absolutely no proof for your allegation.

If I were talking about Joe's Orange Picking Corporation, you could try to make such a denigrating argument.
But I am talking about national averages.

If you think we are "importing uneducated, unskilled workers" to the extent it tilts the national averages, then present that information.
But you can't. Because I'm talking about ALL workers.
And the average is not stagnant just because Joe's Orange Picking Corporation employs migrant workers.

HERE are the NATIONAL facts:
U.S. Workers World's Most Productive - CBS News
The U.S. is the Most Overworked Nation in the World
Overworked America: 12 Charts That Will Make Your Blood Boil | Mother Jones

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3) It's not about how hard a person works. It's about how much educated and job skills, and necessary talent you bring to the job-table.
You keep insisting on looking at this at a snapshot level.
It's the progression over time that is the issue.

An uneducated job pays less. Nobody is disputing that.
But the income should still grow over time. And it is stagnating when looking at the bigger picture.

You talk about "education and job skills".
When the upper echelon votes themselves these ridiculous increases in wages over times, is their education and job skills growing by leaps and bounds?
NO!

Cause you guys keep wanting to point to the lower rungs of the food chain and complain they aren't worth more but you guys never ask if the CEOs are truly worth more.
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