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Old October 6th, 2015, 12:08 PM   #1
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NATO says Russian ground troops in Syria, Turkey's airspace violated again

The last thing I want to see is a US or NATO vs. Russia confrontation, yet, how hard can Putin be allowed to push?

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Washington (CNN)Russian involvement in the 4-year-old Syrian civil war seems to be escalating, with NATO's secretary general confirming Tuesday a second incursion by Russian planes into Turkish airspace and saying Russian ground troops were in Syria as well.

"Russian combat aircraft have violated Turkish airspace," Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said, according to NATO's website. "This is unacceptable."

Stoltenberg elaborated at a news conference.

"We also have seen two of them, two violations of Turkish airspace," he said. "Intelligence that we have received provides me with reason to say it doesn't look like an accident."

...In addition, the Turkish air force said in a statement that an MiG-29 fighter jet of an unidentified nationality had interfered Monday with eight Turkish F-16s on the Turkey-Syria border. The Turkish air force reported the jet put its planes under a radar lock for four minutes and 30 seconds.

Turkey has been a member of NATO since 1952, and alliance rules say that an attack on any of the 28-member states should be treated as an attack on all.

Stoltenberg said that the "substantial buildup of Russian forces in Syria" includes "ground troops in connection with the air base they have."

Stoltenberg said he doubted that Russia, which has been conducting airstrikes in Syria, was interested primarily in fighting the terrorist group ISIS, also known as ISIL.

"I'm also concerned that Russia is not targeting ISIL but instead attacking the Syrian opposition and civilians," he said.
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What the Russian MIGS are doing is finding out the counter-measures and counter-counter measures of the Turkish Air Force and ground missile stations. Called probing.
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What the Russian MIGS are doing is finding out the counter-measures and counter-counter measures of the Turkish Air Force and ground missile stations. Called probing.
Probing to what end?
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Probing to what end?
Good question. As far as Syria, I do believe they can do whatever they want unless they fuck around with the jews on the other side of the Golan Heights. The US is no threat to them. As you said, you don't want to see a confrontation. I think you speak for the majority and definitely the leadership in the whitehouse. So, with that said, if you are a ass clown like Putin, you flex your muscles and do what the fuck you want to until someone stops you.
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The last thing I want to see is a US or NATO vs. Russia confrontation, yet, how hard can Putin be allowed to push?



More: NATO secretary general questions Russia's aims in Syria - CNNPolitics.com
Let Turkey handle it.
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Let Turkey handle it.
Turkey is a member of NATO, mutual defense pact.

Putin's testing the mettle of NATO. The EU is watching.
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But isn't there a lot of stress between Turkey and the NATO members of the EU over the Syrian refugee crisis? Strange world over there now.
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But isn't there a lot of stress between Turkey and the NATO members of the EU over the Syrian refugee crisis? Strange world over there now.
Other than Hungary, the EU seems willing to accept the refugees. This will change. Nationalist parties will grow in power.

Have you talked to anyone who's been to Europe recently? The refugees aren't grateful. They're making demands. And they are camped out everywhere.
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Other than Hungary, the EU seems willing to accept the refugees. This will change. Nationalist parties will grow in power.

Have you talked to anyone who's been to Europe recently? The refugees aren't grateful. They're making demands. And they are camped out everywhere.
No, I haven't. Just heard some stories about it on NPR and read about it on the BBC and some other sites. Talked about it with some international friends, but I don't know if they have any inside info or not. It sounds like a huge mess. It might have some serious repercussions for the way the EU is currently set up, too. I don't know if it is strong enough to enforce any decisions they make on the refugee situation.

There also seems to be a big split between East and West Europe, as well as North and South. It is crazy.
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Probing to what end?
Probing to find electronic defenses. Stick your toe in the water before jumping in. Range gate stealing is only one of the things that the Russians will be looking for.
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