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Old January 31st, 2016, 05:21 AM   #1
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Question Can You Explain to Me the Appeal of Trump to the Public?

He inherited millions of dollars - lost it all - and has declared bankruptcy three times. Yet, the public declares him a financial wizard.

He has been a notorious womanizer - his latest wife has posed nude in magazines. Yet women find him appealing - including evangelicals (imagine if any other candidate had a spouse who was a nudie model?!)

He is vulgar, common, crude - and one of our most important allies as has actually had debates in their parliament about banning him from their country for what they consider his 'hate speech.' Yet people who support him describe him as 'strong' and 'telling it like it is.'

In speeches he has already alienated almost every minority in the world - Latinos, Muslims, blacks. Yet, people think he will unify the country!

He has a sophomoric attitude and petty grudge-holding temperament that could be considered very dangerous in a nation's leader. Yet, his followers consider him a 'straight shooter' - and he attracts almost all demographics except the frat boys he seems to want to emulate.

He has never held any public office. NONE. He has never done any civic activity or charity work beyond writing 'show off' checks upon occasion.

What is it about this man that makes serious voters want to see him as the leader of our nation? I'm not talking about the walking brain dead who are Sarah Palin fans. But, there are surely some serious, intelligent people who are supporting him. And I really, truly, genuinely just do not understand it.

And my misunderstanding does not come from a difference in ideology - besides being mean-spirited and hateful, I haven't heard that he really HAS any ideology.

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Old January 31st, 2016, 05:59 AM   #2
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I think it is the same phenomena that drives people to watch trainwreck reality shows.

Trump is a trainwreck realty show.

It is fitting that Palin endorsed him: a politician turned reality-show star endorsing a reality-show star turned politician.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 07:53 AM   #3
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I've already given my opinion. For years, the last 7 in particular, Right wing media has demonized everything. They have talked their viewers into believing that everybody is out to get them including the government and the so called "liberal media". The Republican politicians use nuance and dog whistles and are not as crass as FOX, Limbaugh, Beck and Breitbart. Trump, a reality television star, took this demonization meme that the Republican base has been groomed to respond to and ran with it. When a Trump supporter claims that Trump speaks to the truth, what they're really saying is that Trump sounds just as crass as FOX, Limbaugh, Beck and Breitbart. The Republican politicians and media created the environment in which Trump thrives and now they've lost control of the whole process. That's where Trump's appeal comes from. It sure as hell isn't the Right's Faux American Exceptionalism meme.
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The right wing, especially the religious right wing has watched their influence decrease since their heyday of the late 80s early 90s.

People talk about "white privilege" but there is an even BIGGER "privilege" out there. Fundamental Christian privilege. These were the people that were able to make Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Rick Santorum power brokers inside the GOP.

Those days are gone and they are having a hard time adjusting to that. They are looking for a new leader....someone who is "unafraid" and is "willing to speak his mind". They are so fearful of losing power that they aren't even giving a close look at the person that they think is going to bring it back to them.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 08:12 AM   #5
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I have a friend who has spent time with Trump on his yacht. He said Donald Trump was a wonderful person to be with, he is polite, respectful, he seems truly interested in everyone in the room. I think that is the real Trump, the one we see in the campaign is a playing a role.

He's a consummate salesman, he speaks at a 4th grade level, his pitchmanship is flawless. Repeating the key words, always placing the keywords at the end of the sentence for emphasis, even when it creates odd sentence structure.
His whole projected persona is designed to appeal to a large enough slice of the GOP electorate to secure a victory in the primaries, and the guy who was supposed to fade away months ago maintains a substantial lead and delegates start getting chosen in a few days.
At this point, it appears his strategy is working, the interesting thing will be to see him pivot, from the character designed to appeal to 40% of the GOP to a character designed to win a majority in the general election.
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I have a friend who has spent time with Trump on his yacht. He said Donald Trump was a wonderful person to be with, he is polite, respectful, he seems truly interested in everyone in the room. I think that is the real Trump, the one we see in the campaign is a playing a role.

He's a consummate salesman, he speaks at a 4th grade level, his pitchmanship is flawless. Repeating the key words, always placing the keywords at the end of the sentence for emphasis, even when it creates odd sentence structure.
His whole projected persona is designed to appeal to a large enough slice of the GOP electorate to secure a victory in the primaries, and the guy who was supposed to fade away months ago maintains a substantial lead and delegates start getting chosen in a few days.
At this point, it appears his strategy is working, the interesting thing will be to see him pivot, from the character designed to appeal to 40% of the GOP to a character designed to win a majority in the general election.
I agree Trump is playing a role but you have to have an audience that's willing to respond to that role. That's where the years of bombast coming from the right wing, including their media, cannot be discounted.
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I agree Trump is playing a role but you have to have an audience that's willing to respond to that role. That's where the years of bombast coming from the right wing, including their media, cannot be discounted.
To clarify, the only reason Trump is playing that role, is because the audience that is receptive to that role, is present in large numbers in the Republican Party. Large enough numbers to blot out the impact of any other group, that is Trump's analysis, and so far it's working.
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He said Donald Trump was a wonderful person to be with, he is polite, respectful, he seems truly interested in everyone in the room. I think that is the real Trump, the one we see in the campaign is a playing a role.
Well, LOL, I don't run in such rarefied circles and have never met Mr. Trump nor been invited on his yacht.

But we've seen alot - A LOT - of him in the past year (actually the past ten years) and I would venture to say that the man you friend met was 'the role' being played.

Nobody could be as crass, craven, contemptible, misogynistic, xenophobic, mean-spirited and nasty as he has shown himself to be without having a lot of that be a part of his natural nature. I spent 8 years in acting school and spent thirty-five years working in the theatre - to create THAT kind of complete and well-rounded believable role requires more acting talent than I believe Mr. Trump possesses.
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He inherited millions of dollars - lost it all - and has declared bankruptcy three times. Yet, the public declares him a financial wizard.

He has been a notorious womanizer - his latest wife has posed nude in magazines. Yet women find him appealing - including evangelicals (imagine if any other candidate had a spouse who was a nudie model?!)

He is vulgar, common, crude - and one of our most important allies as has actually had debates in their parliament about banning him from their country for what they consider his 'hate speech.' Yet people who support him describe him as 'strong' and 'telling it like it is.'

In speeches he has already alienated almost every minority in the world - Latinos, Muslims, blacks. Yet, people think he will unify the country!

He has a sophomoric attitude and petty grudge-holding temperament that could be considered very dangerous in a nation's leader. Yet, his followers consider him a 'straight shooter' - and he attracts almost all demographics except the frat boys he seems to want to emulate.

He has never held any public office. NONE. He has never done any civic activity or charity work beyond writing 'show off' checks upon occasion.

What is it about this man that makes serious voters want to see him as the leader of our nation? I'm not talking about the walking brain dead who are Sarah Palin fans. But, there are surely some serious, intelligent people who are supporting him. And I really, truly, genuinely just do not understand it.

And my misunderstanding does not come from a difference in ideology - besides being mean-spirited and hateful, I haven't heard that he really HAS any ideology.

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I have a huge problem with the thought that Trump is the best the GOP can produce.

That said, I'll take any dead, dying or otherwise incompetent republican over an outed pro abortion, gun grabbing Socialist - any day of the week.

It's too bad we don't have any really strong independents on the radar - yet.

This would be their best chance ever!
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I have a huge problem with the thought that Trump is the best the GOP can produce.

That said, I'll take any dead, dying or otherwise incompetent republican over an outed pro abortion, gun grabbing Socialist - any day of the week.

It's too bad we don't have any really strong independents on the radar - yet.

This would be their best chance ever!
Ironically, it isn't an independent that would appeal to future voters.

Recent polling shows that nearly half of Millennial voters favor a socialist over a pure capitalist.

The overwhelming majority are pro choice.

They are far less religious, and do not favor any religious influence in societal law.

They are anti war, and while not necessarily anti gun, favor more stringent gun restrictions.

In short, the future voters of America are not onward christian soldiers marching off to war, that think the rich pay to much in taxes.
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