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Old July 19th, 2016, 08:11 PM   #41
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Ignoring your disgusting and repugnant blatant racism - which, thanks to the shyster Trump, has become socially acceptable to share publicly now - you are suggesting that early contributions by the Asian and Middle Eastern cultures have had no influence on modern society?????

Are you completely devoid of historical knowledge? - or did you just allow your bile bag of bigotry to overflow and block your memory?
A desire to owe allegiance to political correctness instead of the truth. That is all I see from your statement that is full of personal attacks without any basis of a coherent open discussion
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Old July 19th, 2016, 08:16 PM   #42
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You gotta love honest bigotry, right?



Here's the video: https://youtu.be/tu-LBS_kpDQ?t=1m9s
So political correctness is always correct and the truth is whatever negative label that we want to put on it in order to advance a certain political ideology? I would like to ask you, the person who started this thread, to point out the bigotry specifically. Explain to us how saying that Western Civilization has been responsible for most of the advancement in the world is bigoted? Furthermore, I do not know if you caught the true ignorance that was displayed in the video. Mr. Hayes for starters was the only person who said "white", furthermore he then started heckling something about Stalin. I would like to know when Communist Russia was ever considered the "west"? The thread title is very inaccurate and lacks integrity and honesty from the start.

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So political correctness is always correct and the truth is whatever negative label that we want to put on it in order to advance a certain political ideology? I would like to ask you, the person who started this thread, to point out the bigotry specifically. Explain to us how saying that Western Civilization has been responsible for most of the advancement in the world is bigoted? Furthermore, I do not know if you caught the true ignorance that was displayed in the video. Mr. Hayes for starters was the only person who said "white", furthermore he then started heckling something about Stalin. I would like to know when Communist Russia was ever considered the "west"? The thread title is very inaccurate and lacks integrity and honesty from the start.
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“If you’re really optimistic, you can say this was the last time that old white people would command the Republican Party’s attention, its platform, its public face,” Charles P. Pierce, a writer at large at Esquire magazine, said during the panel discussion.

In response, Mr. King said: “This whole ‘old white people’ business does get a little tired, Charlie. I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about? Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”

“Than white people?” Mr. Hayes asked.

Mr. King responded: “Than Western civilization itself that’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”....
Western civilization, specifically European civilization, colonized Africa and imposed "christianity," and most of Africa is a total and ongoing shit hole today. The same is true for the Middle East - minus the imposing christianity part - and for the most part South and Central America. Some former British colonies are the only exceptions.

The West gifted the planet with WWI, WWII, and WWIII seems to be baking in the oven. Western civilization has negatively impacted the environment and biosphere.

Bigotry - a term of abuse aimed at a prejudiced or closed-minded person, especially one who is intolerant or hostile towards different social groups (especially, and originally, other religious groups), and especially one whose own beliefs are perceived as unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, superstitious, or hypocritical.

The contributions of non-whites, or non-Christians hard to keep track, have been listed partially. King dismissed them all, as he soft-pedaled the very obvious failings of white Christians.
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“If you’re really optimistic, you can say this was the last time that old white people would command the Republican Party’s attention, its platform, its public face,” Charles P. Pierce, a writer at large at Esquire magazine, said during the panel discussion.

In response, Mr. King said: “This whole ‘old white people’ business does get a little tired, Charlie. I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about? Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”

“Than white people?” Mr. Hayes asked.

Mr. King responded: “Than Western civilization itself that’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”....
Western civilization, specifically European civilization, colonized Africa and imposed "christianity," and most of Africa is a total and ongoing shit hole today. The same is true for the Middle East - minus the imposing christianity part - and for the most part South and Central America. Some former British colonies are the only exceptions.

The West gifted the planet with WWI, WWII, and WWIII seems to be baking in the oven. Western civilization has negatively impacted the environment and biosphere.

Bigotry - a term of abuse aimed at a prejudiced or closed-minded person, especially one who is intolerant or hostile towards different social groups (especially, and originally, other religious groups), and especially one whose own beliefs are perceived as unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, superstitious, or hypocritical.

The contributions of non-whites, or non-Christians hard to keep track, have been listed partially. King dismissed them all, as he soft-pedaled the very obvious failings of white Christians.
The west also gave you the computer you use and the laws that protect your right to espouse such an honestly shitty opinion.

A little give and take man.
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The west also gave you the computer you use and the laws that protect your right to espouse such an honestly shitty opinion.

A little give and take man.
Oh, well then, that makes everything just peachy fine, even your shitty attitude.
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“If you’re really optimistic, you can say this was the last time that old white people would command the Republican Party’s attention, its platform, its public face,” Charles P. Pierce, a writer at large at Esquire magazine, said during the panel discussion.

Note the term white used.
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In response, Mr. King said: “This whole ‘old white people’ business does get a little tired, Charlie. I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about? Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?

Which subgroup?

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“Than white people?” Mr. Hayes asked.
Mr Hayes asks that very question. Unfortunately he did not get the answer he wanted, and apparently you did not either.

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Mr. King responded: “Than Western civilization itself that’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”....
I see nothing said at all about white in the entire above phrase. What I do see is a reference to predominantly Christian nations of the west. Now, you may argue rather or not western Christian influenced nations have been the key catalyst to technological advancement, but without building a straw man, I see nothing that says he referenced white only. To say that, you would also have to assume that black Americans did nothing to help with any advancement in the a fore mentioned western world. That, to me would sound very bigoted or perhaps racist on your part. It appears to me, that you, like Mr. Hayes did not get the exactly response you wanted, so you attempted to "read" that response into what was said. The problem was, you and I both watched, and have seen the hard type of what was actually said, and it does not support your claim at all.

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Western civilization, specifically European civilization, colonized Africa and imposed "christianity," and most of Africa is a total and ongoing shit hole today. The same is true for the Middle East - minus the imposing christianity part - and for the most part South and Central America. Some former British colonies are the only exceptions.
Which has nothing to do with the video.
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The West gifted the planet with WWI, WWII, and WWIII seems to be baking in the oven. Western civilization has negatively impacted the environment and biosphere.
This is still more straw man that would be totally off the subject of the thread in my opinion.
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Bigotry - a term of abuse aimed at a prejudiced or closed-minded person, especially one who is intolerant or hostile towards different social groups (especially, and originally, other religious groups), and especially one whose own beliefs are perceived as unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, superstitious, or hypocritical.
Which was not proved at all in any shape or from in the video. But, one could argue your attempt at "reading" something that was not there could have been bigoted.
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The contributions of non-whites, or non-Christians hard to keep track, have been listed partially. King dismissed them all, as he soft-pedaled the very obvious failings of white Christians.
Which, King did none of within the context of the video
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Note the term white used.

Which subgroup?


Mr Hayes asks that very question. Unfortunately he did not get the answer he wanted, and apparently you did not either.


I see nothing said at all about white in the entire above phrase. What I do see is a reference to predominantly Christian nations of the west. Now, you may argue rather or not western Christian influenced nations have been the key catalyst to technological advancement, but without building a straw man, I see nothing that says he referenced white only. To say that, you would also have to assume that black Americans did nothing to help with any advancement in the a fore mentioned western world. That, to me would sound very bigoted or perhaps racist on your part. It appears to me, that you, like Mr. Hayes did not get the exactly response you wanted, so you attempted to "read" that response into what was said. The problem was, you and I both watched, and have seen the hard type of what was actually said, and it does not support your claim at all.


Which has nothing to do with the video.

This is still more straw man that would be totally off the subject of the thread in my opinion.

Which was not proved at all in any shape or from in the video. But, one could argue your attempt at "reading" something that was not there could have been bigoted.
The contributions of non-whites, or non-Christians hard to keep track, have been listed partially. King dismissed them all, as he soft-pedaled the very obvious failings of white Christians.
I knew I was wasting my time. I won't repeat that mistake.
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I knew I was wasting my time. I won't repeat that mistake.
Its ok. We all make mistakes. I am glad I was able to point your mistake out to you. I am sure you would have done the same for me
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Oh, well then, that makes everything just peachy fine, even your shitty attitude.
Well if you can have a shitty attitude about this then so can I.

Why are you being such a hypocrite?
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Ignoring your disgusting and repugnant blatant racism - which, thanks to the shyster Trump, has become socially acceptable to share publicly now - you are suggesting that early contributions by the Asian and Middle Eastern cultures have had no influence on modern society?????

Are you completely devoid of historical knowledge? - or did you just allow your bile bag of bigotry to overflow and block your memory?
You have failed to answer the question.
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