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Old August 24th, 2016, 10:46 AM   #31
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Gary Johnson and William Weld are fake libertarians miseducating the public | RedState


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Its the irony in it all. See, if someone runs for office in a political party and they do not adhere lock step 100% to that parties platform then they are a statist. Never mind that daring to be different is pretty far removed from being a statist. So because Johnson and Weld are two mainstream guys who might actually win, they are bad because they are not remaining in the fringe of impossible in the current political climate. Instead they have pragmatic views and reality of the situation. Johnson has said he is opposed to the income tax, he also says that repealing it and getting rid of the IRS will probably not happen with him as President. He realizes, unlike the other candidates, that he is running for the office of President. Not the dictator or King.
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The answers that they both give say that they aren't. The least libertarian ticket ever on the Libertarian Party line. Who said 100% was a requirement? Neither one is Ron Paul, that's for certain.

And they have ZERO chance of winning.



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Old August 24th, 2016, 11:34 AM   #34
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The answers that they both give say that they aren't. The least libertarian ticket ever on the Libertarian Party line. Who said 100%? Neither one is Ron Paul, that's for certain.

And they have ZERO chance of winning.


Agree to disagree. But, that whole zero chance of winning thing. I can not get how someone with principles follows that logic. Oh, well were probably going to get beat so lets get mad and forfeit the game. Same logic
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Agree to disagree. But, that whole zero chance of winning thing. I can not get how someone with principles follows that logic. Oh, well were probably going to get beat so lets get mad and forfeit the game. Same logic

There is no possibility of them winning. They have almost zero chance of winning any state, thus the Electoral votes in a state. There is no pathway for them.

And they aren't what you want them to be anyway. Johnson dramatically increased the state debt in office. Some libertarian.


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A quick rundown on Johnson's fiscal record as governor: when he entered office the state budget was $4.397 billion and when he left it was $7.721 billion. Johnson claims to have balanced the budget each year, which isn't impressive by itself because the state constitution mandates it. But thanks to some off-budget gimmicks, Johnson actually was able to run deficits. James Spiller of National Review notes: "In fact, Johnson inherited a debt of $1.8 billion and left a debt of $4.6 billion, a rate of increase unmatched by the 22 governors in either party who have filed for presidential primaries in the past two decades, with the exception of Governor Tom Vilsack (D., Iowa) in 2007. During every year that Johnson, as he says, balanced the budget, he added to the debt."

Johnson's fiscal policies also apparently include government-funded prizes for science and paying U.N. dues, two things he brought up during the recent debate hosted by TheBlaze and moderated by Penn Jillette.

The more objectionable view of Johnson is that social liberalism is essential to libertarianism. In fact, it is distinct, if not in opposition to the philosophy. The great libertarian scholar Murray Rothbard put it like this:
"There are libertarians who are indeed hedonists and devotees of alternative lifestyles, and that there are also libertarians who are firm adherents of “bourgeois” conventional or religious morality. There are libertarian libertines and there are libertarians who cleave firmly to the disciplines of natural or religious law. There are other libertarians who have no moral theory at all apart from the imperative of non-violation of rights. That is because libertarianism per se has no general or personal moral theory.

Libertarianism does not offer a way of life; it offers liberty, so that each person is free to adopt and act upon his own values and moral principles. Libertarians agree with Lord Acton that “liberty is the highest political end” – not necessarily the highest end on everyone’s personal scale of values."

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Some libertarians.

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Jesse Walker of Reason listed some anti-libertarian positions held by Weld, including support for an assault weapons ban, eminent domain, and foreign intervention, and summed up Weld as "more of a moderate "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" type, with "fiscally conservative" defined by Massachusetts standards and with "socially liberal" defined in terms a Michael Bloomberg could embrace."

Conservative Review also notes Weld's support of EPA regulations and affirmative action. In addition, Weld endorsed Obama in 2008, Romney in 2012, and Kasich in 2016 before linking up with Johnson.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/southe...ng-the-public/



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To reply to all your quotes. Any candidate that you think should be lock step with the parties entire platform means that you and that candidate has been drinking way to much kool aid. But if you just want to hear some Johnson slamming then to make you feel better I do not agree with his open borders trade ideology either. I prefer Trumps plan. Yet, I am still going to vote for Johnson
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Do what you think you need to do. But, as of now Johnson is pulling more away from Hillary than Trump. He gets in the debates it will become a three way horse race immediately. So, you best hope Gary Johnson does not make it in to the debates. As far as Mark Levin goes, he says Gary Johnson is a statist. I heard him say that yesterday. It was comical to say the least.
I am open-minded about Johnson.....If come the beginning of November and it looks like Johnson actually has a chance to win....I just might vote for him....But remember.....Do you want Hillary picking the next 3 Supreme Court Justices??
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