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Old September 8th, 2016, 08:35 AM   #11
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President Obama is amongst many that were not impressed last night with Trump's continued praise of Putin.


Will someone explain to me why a guy who is running for president isn't being completely (and I mean completely) SHUNNED when he repeatedly worships PUTIN...? MY GAWD! What the hell is wrong with people?
Putin is toying with our military. Putin is aggressively invading other countries. Putin WANTS Syria. Putin's airstrikes are killing innocent civilians. Putin is a thug and a killer.
And Americans support Trump who obviously thinks Putin is a god??
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Hillary = "NO Americans were lost in Libya"? Did she conveniently forget about the FOUR DEAD AMERICANS?!
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Old September 8th, 2016, 10:03 AM   #13
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Hillary = "NO Americans were lost in Libya"? Did she conveniently forget about the FOUR DEAD AMERICANS?!
Here is the transcript from the relevant portion of that forum.:

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JACKSON: (OFF-MIKE) who served in the Air Force for nearly a decade, where she was an intelligence specialist, specializing in countering violent extremism. Like you, Secretary Clinton, she’s a Democrat and she has this question for you.

QUESTION: Thank you. Secretary Clinton, to your point, you have had an extensive record with military intervention. How do you respond to progressives like myself who worry and have concerns that your hawkish foreign policy will continue? And what is your plan to end wasteful war campaigns in which our peers, servicewomen and men, continue to be killed and wounded?

CLINTON: Well, I assume you’re talking about Iraq, because of my vote, and you probably are talking about Libya, because of the role that I played in the administration’s decision about whether to take on Gadhafi.

CLINTON: But before I get to that, let me say very clearly: I view force as a last resort, not a first choice. I will do everything in my power to make sure that our men and women in the military are fully prepared for any challenge that they may have to face on our behalf.

But I will also be as careful as I can in making the most significant decisions any president and commander-in-chief can make about sending our men and women into harm’s way.

With respect to Libya, again, there’s no difference between my opponent and myself. He’s on record extensively supporting intervention in Libya, when Gadhafi was threatening to massacre his population. I put together a coalition that included NATO, included the Arab League, and we were able to save lives. We did not lose a single American in that action.

And I think taking that action was the right decision. Not taking it, and permitting there to be an ongoing civil war in Libya, would have been as dangerous and threatening as what we are now seeing in Syria.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/read-hill...011646727.html
So then, who were the four Americans who (allegedly) died in the "action" that was performed by the "coalition that included NATO (and) the Arab League" regarding the US intervention in the Libyan Civil War in 2011?


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Old September 8th, 2016, 10:17 AM   #14
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So then, who were the four Americans who (allegedly) died in the "action" that was performed by the "coalition that included NATO (and) the Arab League" regarding the US intervention in the Libyan Civil War in 2011?


You keep trying to hit the RW with facts. They are impervious to them.
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President Obama is amongst many that were not impressed last night with Trump's continued praise of Putin.
yea, praising putin when you are running for potus is not a smart move. he should stop that...
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You keep trying to hit the RW with facts. They are impervious to them.
Well, to be honest, a certain individual here doesn't appear to have paid close enough attention to what was actually stated at that forum last night.

But, then again, it might not have mattered very much if anyone did pay close attention to all of what was actually stated at that forum last night since it might be very difficult to fully comprehend what was actually stated anyway...such as the following bolded statements.:

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JACKSON: I’m with Phillip Clay (ph), who was a public affairs officer in the Marine Corps. He spent a year in Anbar province in Iraq. He left the military with the rank of captain, service that inspired him to write a book. He’s a Democrat, and he has this question for you, Mr. Trump.

QUESTION: Mr. Trump, over the past 15 years, a lot of U.S. troops have bled and died securing towns and provinces from Iraq to Afghanistan, only to have insurgent groups like ISIS spring back the moment we leave. Now, you’ve claimed to have a secret plan to defeat ISIS. But you’re hardly the first politician to promise a quick victory and a speedy homecoming. So assuming we do defeat ISIS, what next? What is your plan for the region to ensure that a group like them doesn’t just come back?

TRUMP: Sure. I mean, part of the problem that we’ve had is we go in, we defeat somebody, and then we don’t know what we’re doing after that. We lose it, like as an example, you look at Iraq, what happened, how badly that was handled. And then when President Obama took over, likewise, it was a disaster. It was actually somewhat stable. I don’t think could ever be very stable to where we should have never gone into in the first place.

But he came in. He said when we go out — and he took everybody out. And really, ISIS was formed. This was a terrible decision. And frankly, we never even got a shot. And if you really look at the aftermath of Iraq, Iran is going to be taking over Iraq. They’ve been doing it. And it’s not a pretty picture.

The — and I think you know — because you’ve been watching me I think for a long time — I’ve always said, shouldn’t be there, but if we’re going to get out, take the oil. If we would have taken the oil, you wouldn’t have ISIS, because ISIS formed with the power and the wealth of that oil.

LAUER: How were we going to take the oil? How were we going to do that?

TRUMP: Just we would leave a certain group behind and you would take various sections where they have the oil. They have — people don’t know this about Iraq, but they have among the largest oil reserves in the world, in the entire world.

And we’re the only ones, we go in, we spend $3 trillion, we lose thousands and thousands of lives, and then, Matt, what happens is, we get nothing. You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils. Now, there was no victor there, believe me. There was no victor. But I always said: Take the oil.

One of the benefits we would have had if we took the oil is ISIS would not have been able to take oil and use that oil…

LAUER: Let me stay on ISIS…

TRUMP: … to fuel themselves.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/read-hill...011646727.html
So, should all of the oil have-somehow-been pumped out of the ground and shipped out with, alongside, or during the American troop withdrawal? (Shouldn't that crude oil production be a process that takes many years?)

And, if American troops-that "certain group"-were to stay, then what American troop withdrawal would actually occur? (Would that "certain group" have to stay in Iraq indefinitely to "take" (and presumably hold) "various sections where they have the oil?"


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Well, to be honest, a certain individual here doesn't appear to have paid close enough attention to what was actually stated at that forum last night.

But, then again, it might not have mattered very much if anyone did pay close attention to all of what was actually stated at that forum last night since it might be very difficult to fully comprehend what was actually stated anyway...such as the following bolded statements.:



So, should all of the oil have-somehow-been pumped out of the ground and shipped out with, alongside, or during the American troop withdrawal? (Shouldn't that crude oil production be a process that takes many years?)

And, if American troops-that "certain group"-were to stay, then what American troop withdrawal would actually occur? (Would that "certain group" have to stay in Iraq indefinitely to "take" (and presumably hold) "various sections where they have the oil?"


....sigh....

...the world may never know...
I can't find a figure for the number of oilwells currently in Iraq but for the US to take the 140 billion barrels of reserves Iraq has in a one year time frame, it would require about 7,700 wells, way more than they currently have. So I guess Halliburton would need another no-bid contract to drill them. Then we'd need to build a 67" diameter pipeline to ship the oil out. Laying it across the ocean may be a bit of a technological hurdle but hell, we put men on the moon. FTR, currently the largest oil pipeline is 48".

Then, you'd need to build 10,000 of the largest oil storage tanks that have been built to date to store it.

But hell, if he can build a 35' high wall along the Mexican border, this should be no sweat, right?
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so who won tonight? as much as it pains me to say, i think hillary did a better job. the donald thinks he can just keep repeating "we're gonna make america great again" and everyone will vote for him. people want to know how mr. trump! although i think hillary was still lying her ass off...
Lauer started his interview by sandbagging Hillary Clinton, interrupting her first answer with a lengthy “question” about the email server that was both unrelated to the supposed topic of the evening, and weighted with built-in scorn up to and including the idea that Clinton’s non-crime was “disqualifying” of her candidacy. Before Hillary could complete her answer to this are-we-really-going-to-do-this zinger, Lauer interrupted her again. With another email question. Then he did it again.

Watching a replay of the affair, it’s not that Matt Lauer interrupted some of Hillary Clinton’s answers. It’s that he interrupted all of HIllary Clinton’s answers.

Repeatedly, he leaped in mid-sentence, first to spew out ‘questions’ that were actually lengthy position statements allowing no obvious response, then to break in and remind Clinton that they were running out of time when she tried to beat Lauer’s words into an actual question.

Lauer displayed a level of disrespect and antagonism to Hillary Clinton that wasn’t just unprofessional, it was punchable.

Even when Trump was producing a running stream of non-connected thoughts, Lauer sat back until Trump had come stumbling to a halt. He didn’t challenge Trump’s flat-out lies, and several times handed the Republican candidate open-ended questions with an intellectual challenge between “what’s your favorite color” and “how cool are puppies?”

Lauer never hit Trump with anything remotely equivalent to emails—nothing about his taxes, his failed business deals, his 3,500 lawsuits, or the handy bribes that made some of those lawsuits go away.

Since this was ostensibly a forum on military issues, Lauer might have asked Trump to explain his attacks on a Gold-Star family, or the five deferments that kept Trump from ever having to come near service of his own. Nope.

Hillary Clinton still selfishly insists on breathing. Donald Trump heroically maintained a form of consciousness. Trump wins.

Signed, the media.

The Commander in Chief Forum was an embarrassment, but still enough to disqualify Trump
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The oil fields could have been protected, pumped by and for the Iraq nation/peoples use and with a certain amount to be sold to the US...or shipped to the US for payment for keeping the oil fields in the hands of the Iraqi government.

There is a point in considering how other nations pay for or at least help pay for, all the "protection" this nation provides for them...all across the world.
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The oil fields could have been protected, pumped by and for the Iraq nation/peoples use and with a certain amount to be sold to the US...or shipped to the US for payment for keeping the oil fields in the hands of the Iraqi government.

There is a point in considering how other nations pay for or at least help pay for, all the "protection" this nation provides for them...all across the world.
You mean the Iraqi oil fields could have been secured and operated by the same people that threw down their U.S. supplied weapons and ran away from their U.S. supplied HumVees when ISIS came to town ? Aren't those the same people that were securing the oil fields when ISIS showed up ? I understand more clearly why Trump is your guy.....LOL
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