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Old December 17th, 2016, 05:50 PM   #1
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Obama Confronts Complexity of Using a Mighty Cyberarsenal Against Russia

It's sorta complex....
Obama Confronts Complexity of Using a Mighty Cyberarsenal Against Russia

Over the past four months, American intelligence agencies and aides to President Obama assembled a menu of options to respond to Russia’s hacking during the election, ranging from the obvious — exposing President Vladimir V. Putin’s financial ties to oligarchs — to the innovative, including manipulating the computer code that Russia uses in designing its cyberweapons.

But while Mr. Obama vowed on Friday to “send a clear message to Russia” as both a punishment and a deterrent, some of the options were rejected as ineffective, others as too risky. If the choices had been better, one of the aides involved in the debate noted recently, the president would have acted by now.

In his last weeks in office, that Situation Room debate has confronted a naturally cautious president with a complex calculus that President-elect Donald J. Trump will soon inherit: how to use the world’s most powerful cyberarsenal at a moment when the United States, as the election showed, remains highly vulnerable.

“Is there something we can do to them, that they would see, they would realize 98 percent that we did it, but that wouldn’t be so obvious that they would then have to respond for their own honor?” David H. Petraeus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency under Mr. Obama, asked on Friday, at a conference here sponsored by Harvard’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. “The question is how subtle do you want it, how damaging do you want it, how do you try to end it here rather than just ratchet it up?”
A lot more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/us...ions.html?_r=0
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Old December 17th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #2
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How petty and pathetic for the President to respond so. What were the words of Michelle Obama? "When they go low we go high". Nice words but all I see is him going lower.
If you're going to post a comment, at least read the article and respond to some point in it instead of using this thread to repeat some anti-Obama rhetoric that we've all heard before.
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The obvious answer is to release all the evidence that Gucifer and the hacks, that was released by Wikileaks was Russian State sponsored. That is how you hit them back. Remember the Cuban Missile crisis? Did Kennedy say, hey dont release those pictures, people might figure out our tech. Fuck no. He threw them out their for the world to see then implemented a justified blockade.
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The obvious answer is to release all the evidence that Gucifer and the hacks, that was released by Wikileaks was Russian State sponsored. That is how you hit them back. Remember the Cuban Missile crisis? Did Kennedy say, hey dont release those pictures, people might figure out our tech. Fuck no. He threw them out their for the world to see then implemented a justified blockade.
That's comparing apples to Fruit Loops. There's no comparison. The U-2 wasn't a secret technology. We had them, the Russians knew we did, and they did their best to shoot 'em down.

Most evidence will reveal what embedded programs or whatever was used to obtain the evidence.

But I agree with you. At some point ya gotta do it. Your cyberwarriors might disagree, and with good reason, but still....
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“Our goal continues to be to send a clear message to Russia or others not to do this to us because we can do stuff to you,” he said. “But it is also important to us to do that in a thoughtful, methodical way. Some of it, we will do publicly. Some of it we will do in a way that they know, but not everybody will.”
Quote from the OP article, so its clear its on topic.

Obama is foolish to make these statements. He is not very smart. Hacks of emails is frankly pretty common. I am sure the USA is hacking their emails too. He would be better to put his energy into making sure the government employees are using only a secured government server and email address instead of this bravado. He just makes things worse.
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That's comparing apples to Fruit Loops. There's no comparison. The U-2 wasn't a secret technology. We had them, the Russians knew we did, and they did their best to shoot 'em down.

Most evidence will reveal what embedded programs or whatever was used to obtain the evidence.

But I agree with you. At some point ya gotta do it. Your cyberwarriors might disagree, and with good reason, but still....
We should and have let the Russians know we can hack them but we don't have to let them know how. 😎✊🏻🇺🇸
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We should and have let the Russians know we can hack them but we don't have to let them know how. ��✊������
So we have and do exactly as they have?
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Obama, is a pussy, Putin is a super pussy.
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We should and have let the Russians know we can hack them but we don't have to let them know how. ��✊������
So its fine for the USA to hack the Russian government emails but its not OK for Russia to attack Hillary Clinton's private server?
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