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Old February 3rd, 2017, 02:55 PM   #51
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Again, no where in Western civilization is killing gays accepted. The only examples of this acceptance I can find in Western Culture is from the regressive left, mostly in Europe for now. That is only because the US has not seen the mass immigration people who practice Islam like Europe has.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem ?? I'm not saying killing gays is accepted in this nation or even in western civilization. I'm certainly not saying it will become so anytime in the future.

I AM saying that there IS a contingent that WOULD change it IF they thought they could get away with. I AM saying there was a time, not so long ago, where crimes against gays, up to and including murder, were generally ignored or given very little priority. People generally didn't care as long as it wasn't their relative.
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem ?? I'm not saying killing gays is accepted in this nation or even in western civilization. I'm certainly not saying it will become so anytime in the future.

I AM saying that there IS a contingent that WOULD change it IF they thought they could get away with. I AM saying there was a time, not so long ago, where crimes against gays, up to and including murder, were generally ignored or given very little priority. People generally didn't care as long as it wasn't their relative.
That is still a bullshit argument. You are stating an opinion, that if this or if that then in your opinion. We have real world proof, that in fact, Islamic nations do in fact consider being gay a capitol offense. You are basically trying to compare Christians to Muslims when in fact there is no comparison. Can you name one nation, that is predominantly Christian that is killing gay people due to their laws? Just one? No, you can not. But, you still keep trying to equate the two. Un fucking believable.
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 03:07 PM   #53
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We have a First Amendment because no one, not even you, has the right to tell someone else that their religion is "not a religion"

We can outlaw behavior we cannot outlaw belief, no matter how much you disagree with that belief.
So I guess you're OK with someone preaching death to all non Muslims; and attacking folks with machetes, because it's their Constitutional Right-talk about stupidity!
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 03:10 PM   #54
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Your personal opinion is just your personal opinion.
Irrelevant.
So don't be a Muslim if you don't like the religion, I'm not. *shrug*
You're not what?
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Old February 3rd, 2017, 03:16 PM   #55
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ISLAM is a religion. Now it may not be a pleasant religion--all warm and fuzzy--but it is a religion none-the-less. Muslims pray. Muslims have a god. Muslims have tenets of faith to follow. Muslims can be extremists. Muslims have at least 8 denominations--each of which follows their 'law' in their own way---just like Christians.
We don't have to like it, but there it is. Claiming that Muslims don't have the same rights as everyone else is just sheer stupidity and it certainly IS NOT Christian. Christ didn't say 'love your neighbor except for Muslims'.
Christians are not supposed to HATE. Period.
Islam didn't exist during the time of Christ!
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ISLAM is a religion. Now it may not be a pleasant religion--all warm and fuzzy--but it is a religion none-the-less. Muslims pray. Muslims have a god. Muslims have tenets of faith to follow. Muslims can be extremists. Muslims have at least 8 denominations--each of which follows their 'law' in their own way---just like Christians.
We don't have to like it, but there it is. Claiming that Muslims don't have the same rights as everyone else is just sheer stupidity and it certainly IS NOT Christian. Christ didn't say 'love your neighbor except for Muslims'.
Christians are not supposed to HATE. Period.
I think what he meant was. love your neighbor, unless he is an asshole; in which case pray for his enlightenment and if he tries to kill you, waste him, then forgive him.
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I'm not disputing the violence of the radical Islamists. Wrong is wrong and war is war and we have to fight them.

But you missed the point. Violent or not, there are already multiple groups, deeply if not fanatically religious, who exist in this country and live with their own laws and rules. Sometimes those laws and rules are in direct conflict with secular law. To say that Muslims can't coexist within the American system is just hypocrisy.

As I asked the first time. Name ONE government, local, state or federal that has adopted a sharian law.

If the secular people of this nation have fought against laws that favor Christianity, do you honestly think they're going to sit idly by and NOT fight any Islamic based laws ??
I hate to say this Bubba but with what you see on TV, with all the hate towards any conservative speakers on college campuses, all the violence from the Left and none from the Right, I'd have to say yes we're stupid and PC enough to just kneel down and extend our necks because to not do so wouldn't be POLITICALY CORRECT AND MIGHT OFEND OUR EXACUTIONERS!

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And are there NOT people right here, right now, in this country, that would be quite pleased if we started doing the same ??? And I guarantee they ain't Muslim !!!
So now two wrongs make a right? So invite the killers in, because we have the Ku Klux Klan-right.
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I'm not so inclined. YOU can't tell me what YOU believe and why?
So now you're against his right to express himself? You need to take a deep breath and chill Marine!
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So, in your opinion Americans are just like western Europeans and will react to a large Muslim population in exactly the same manner?
You do NOT believe we are exceptional? Americans are just Frenchmen and Germans that speak English and drink their beer cold?
A non sequitur, come on start making some sense.
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