Political Forums  

Go Back   Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Current Events

Current Events Current Events Forum - Latest political news and events


Thanks Tree4Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old February 5th, 2017, 11:09 PM   #1
Banned
 
excalibur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: The Milky Way
Posts: 24,581
A strange ruling from a strange judge

Quote:
Jerome Woehrle at Liberty Unyielding provides a revealing look at James Robart, the federal judge who enjoined President Trump’s executive order temporarily restricting entry to the U.S. from seven highly problematic nations. Scott has observed that Judge Robart’s opinion is nearly devoid of legal analysis. Woehrle expands on this criticism:
Judge James Robart’s order has no legal basis, and barely pretends to. [The] order against Trump sheds little light on his thinking.

But at an earlier hearing on Washington State’s motion for a temporary restraining order, he asked what rational basis the government had for restricting entry from the seven violence-wracked countries covered by Trump’s order: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen.

As NPR notes, these seven countries were previously singled out by Congress for milder restrictions on visas. Congress did so after terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, in a 2015 law tightening up the Visa Waiver Program that was signed by President Obama.

Critics argue that there was no rational basis for restricting travel from these countries but not other countries in the Middle East, such as Saudi Arabia. This argument is silly, since America has deep economic links and security ties with Saudi Arabia that it lacks with the seven countries subject to the 2015 law and Trump’s executive order. America need not antagonize a key ally when it takes steps to increase border security.

Perhaps for this reason, Judge Robart’s order in State of Washington v. Trump does not even make this argument, simply suggesting that for some unexplained reason the executive order may violate the “Constitution.”

The seven countries at issue are: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, and Iran. The first six are all failed, chaotic states that have produced terrorists. The problems with effectively vetting people from these countries are obvious.
...

Thus, even apart from what Congress did in the 2015 law tightening up the Visa Waiver Program, there is a rational basis for picking the seven countries and not states like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Woehrle continues:
To cover up the embarrassing weakness of Judge Robart’s temporary restraining order, reporters at the Washington Post and elsewhere have trumpeted the fact that Robart was nominally appointed by President George W. Bush. They have done this to suggest that his ruling must have merit, because otherwise he would not have ruled against a President of the same party as the man who appointed him.

But this is misleading, since Robart is a staunchly liberal judge whose appointment was effectively forced on Bush by liberal Senator Patty Murray in 2004, when Washington State had two liberal Senators.
How did this happen? Woehrle explains:
Robart’s appointment as a federal judge was championed by liberal Senators like Patty Murray, who used Senatorial custom allowing senators to veto Presidential appointments of trial judges to obtain the appointment of liberal trial judges like Robart in Washington State. An April 13, 2005 press release by Murray touts Robart’s appointment as the “bipartisan” result of using a state commission to select federal trial judges in Washington, whose appointment Bush then rubberstamped.

This Senatorial veto power, known as the “blue slip,” is an old tradition, dating back to at least 1917, that lets senators have a say on which trial judges are appointed to courts in their home state.
On the bench, Robart has lived up to Patty Murray’s expectations. He has a history of not just liberal rulings, but oddball ones. Woehrle quotes one observer who said this about the judge:
Judge Robart. . .is the same guy who issued [a] bizarre college sexual assault ruling. . .He ruled a falsely-accused male student could not depose or obtain relevant documents from the female student who got him expelled because that would traumatize her (never mind that it was SHE who performed a sex act on him when he was blacked out, meaning that if anyone was guilty of sexual assault it was HER). Reason’s article about it can be found here.

Robart also bellowed “Black Lives Matter” in open court, as the Daily Caller noted (in a context in which it made little sense).
Robart’s ruling on Trump’s executive order doesn’t even attempt to make sense. It is basically ipse dixit.


A strange ruling from a strange judge | Power Line



Thanks from webguy4, kbear and Twisted Sister
excalibur is offline  
Old February 5th, 2017, 11:22 PM   #2
Banned
 
excalibur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: The Milky Way
Posts: 24,581
As one person wrote on another website:

Quote:
The judge’s temporary restraining order is harmful — it bans giving priority in asylum claims to Yazidi and Christian applicants, even though they are the ones who face a high risk of being killed in Iraq and Syria. (It bans “proceeding with any action that prioritizes the refugee claims of certain religious minorities,” see Order at pg. 5, paragraph 1).

This ban is perverse, because under U.S. law and international treaties, asylum is SUPPOSED to be given to members of groups facing persecution based on religion, and the threat of genocide faces only certain religions. The judge provided NO REASONING AT ALL for his assertion that the constitution might be violated by the executive order, and lawyers like Scott Johnson have noted that the judge’s order had no real legal basis.

excalibur is offline  
Old February 6th, 2017, 12:21 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Twisted Sister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Brown Township, Ohio
Posts: 10,859
Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
This will end up on Chief Justice Roberts desk and he is a W nominee who flipped on Obamacare. It ain't over until it's over.
Twisted Sister is online now  
Old February 6th, 2017, 06:13 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
dusty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: north east usa
Posts: 3,936
this isent about rules and law
this is about saveing lives. a lot of lives.
that need attention now and cant wait
dusty is offline  
Old February 6th, 2017, 09:33 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: earth
Posts: 591
Brothers an sisters from across the globe will soon be assembling here. They will help in our attacks against capitalism.
Endtherepublic is offline  
Old February 6th, 2017, 09:46 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: USA TN
Posts: 10,308
Quote:
Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
"Critics argue that there was no rational basis for restricting travel from these countries but not other countries in the Middle East, such as Saudi Arabia. This argument is silly, since America has deep economic links and security ties with Saudi Arabia"


i agree with the saudi arabia part! we shouldn't let anyone from there in either as long as they are financing terrorists---deep economic ties be damned! we shouldn't be allies with barbaric countries that still decapitate people everyday for fairly minor offenses and treat women like chattel!
kbear is offline  
Old February 6th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: USA TN
Posts: 10,308
Quote:
Originally Posted by dusty View Post
this isent about rules and law
this is about saveing lives. a lot of lives.
that need attention now and cant wait
we need a president who is more concerned about american lives. we finally have one even though he can be a jerk sometimes..
kbear is offline  
Old February 6th, 2017, 09:50 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: USA TN
Posts: 10,308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Endtherepublic View Post
Brothers an sisters from across the globe will soon be assembling here. They will help in our attacks against capitalism.
???? wtf is that supposed to mean???
kbear is offline  
Old February 6th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #9
Banned
 
excalibur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: The Milky Way
Posts: 24,581
Quote:
Next point: The judge made a number of comments to justify issuing his the TRO: “The States are likely to suffer irreparable harm in the absence of [my] preliminary relief [restraining order].”

That is absurd on its face. Irreparable harm? This means harm that can never be fixed? Come on. The Judge may as well have said, “I’m biased. I don’t like Trump’s EO and I don’t like him. So when I said ‘irreparable’, I exaggerated by a few thousand miles. Ha-ha.”

The Judge wrote: “The EO [Trump’s Executive Order limiting immigration] adversely affects the States’ residents in areas of employment, education, business, family relations, and freedom to travel.”

More fluff, nonsense, and outright deception. Does the Judge seriously expect us to believe that the banning of 35,000 more refugees than the 2016 federal cap is going to decimate the States?

(In his EO, Trump wrote: “I hereby proclaim that the entry of more than 50,000 refugees in fiscal year 2017 would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I determine that additional admissions would be in the national interest.” An NPR political editor stated: “For 2016, the cap was 85,000.” The difference is 35,000.)

Judge Robart wrote: “In addition, the States themselves are harmed by virtue of the damage…inflicted upon the operations and missions of their public universities…as well as injury to the States’ operations, tax bases, and public funds.”

Same objections as above. Judge Robart is stretching the truth to the breaking point. His definition of “harm” and “irreparable harm” are coming from his private dictionary of exaggerations. He’s winging it.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...is-ridiculous/


excalibur is offline  
Old February 6th, 2017, 12:04 PM   #10
Banned
 
excalibur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: The Milky Way
Posts: 24,581
LOL. Cat out of bag. Crying over H-1B visas. Keep those Americans out of work in favor of foreign workers who work at half the pay of Americans.



https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...n-v-Trump.html

* See this section of the complaint: “C. The State, its Residents, and its Businesses Are Suffering and Will Continue to Suffer Irreparable Harm Due to the Executive Order” under “III. ARGUMENT”

* “Washington businesses are also suffering irreparable injuries. Immigrant and refugee-owned businesses employ 140,000 people in Washington. Washington’s technology industry relies heavily on the H-1B visa program. Nationwide, Washington ranks ninth in the number of applications for high-tech visas. Microsoft, which is headquartered in Washington, employs nearly 5,000 people through the program. Other Washington companies, including Amazon, Expedia, and Starbucks, employ thousands of H-1B visa holders. Loss of highly skilled workers puts Washington companies at a competitive disadvantage with global competitors.”

* “The Executive Order is also causing irreparable harm to Washington’s college students and universities. At the University of Washington, more than ninety-five students are immigrants from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, and Yemen. The number at Washington State University is over 135. Because of the Executive Order, these students are missing out on research and educational opportunities, travel to visit their families, study abroad, and other irreplaceable activities that cannot be compensated through money damages. The universities also risk losing current and future students, a harm that cannot be remedied with monetary damages


Thanks from Jimmyb
excalibur is offline  
Reply

  Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Current Events

Tags
judge, ruling, strange



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
M.E. Strange Bedfellows RNG Middle East 7 September 28th, 2015 02:24 AM


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2013 Defending The Truth. All rights reserved.