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Old February 16th, 2017, 11:08 AM   #71
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You can say what you wish, the things being done now will come back to haunt you in 2020. It is amazing though, that all the things that happened under Obama, and investigating Hillary were a witch hunt, I believe it was called, now it's justice. smh

I weep for my country based on the hatred that is dividing us all.
The other side of the coin is Rs searched high and low and high and low and high and low and high and low to reveal Obama's and Hillary's lies, spending tens of millions of dollars, and now with the case of Flynn, who lied to his boss and all America and the world, who was in contact with the Russian ambassador, who was part of a team that continually praised a murdering, lying, ex-KGB boss, who actually sat next to Putin at a dinner honoring the Kremlin's premier propaganda arm, RT (formerly Russia Today)....

And the same people who searched high and low and high and low and high and low and high and low to reveal Obama's and Hillary's lies now are saying with a blank face, "What's the problem?"

So yes, hatred is dividing our country, partisan hatred fanned by foreign powers.
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Old February 16th, 2017, 11:14 AM   #72
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Lied to his country IF OBAMA did it? Benghazi wasn't about a video, lie! People couldn't keep their insurance LIE! He didn't get us out of the wars we were in, LIE! do I need to go into Hillary's lies?
(sigh) Seems you're not understanding my point.

Regardless of whether or not those allegations are true, you cannot scrutinize one side and not the other. Also, you cannot keep looking back on the past, but keep your focus on the here and now of the world.
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Old February 16th, 2017, 11:22 AM   #73
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That's damned hilarious. Thanks for a deep laugh.
I should have qualified it. Public knowledge meaning anyone who knows history. History such as John Mitchell, South Vietnam, derailing peace talks before the election took place prior to November of 1968. History such as Obama talking to other countries regarding US police in July of 2008, which was before the election also. That was normal and expected.

You also seem to be confused regarding the difference between cabinet positions that require confirmations and position that do not require confirmations.

Report of the Commission on Presidential Transitions and Foreign Policy:
There should be substantive talks that will allow the new administration to act immediately upon taking office.

In conclusion, we return once again to Lincoln’s words. Speaking in the midst of his desperate campaign for re-election in 1864, the president said that, in the interval between the election and the inauguration, “I shall do my utmost that whoever is to hold the helm for the next voyage shall start with the best possible chance to save the ship. This is due the people, both on principle and under the constitution.

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Old February 16th, 2017, 11:47 AM   #74
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What law did Flynn break and what is the prosecutorial history of this law that the DOJ would have to rely on to prosecute Flynn?
Did you miss where he resigned?
Why do you think that happened, did he show up for work in a tie that was not from the Trump Collection?
Did he run out on his tab at a Trump Hotel?
Did SIGINT show that he never watched the Apprentice?
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Goober seems to have some inside information regarding why Flynn resigned that contradicts what Flynn stated, what the Trump administration stated, and apparently a keen understanding of the law and its precedent.
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Old February 16th, 2017, 12:29 PM   #76
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Goober seems to have some inside information regarding why Flynn resigned that contradicts what Flynn stated, what the Trump administration stated, and apparently a keen understanding of the law and its precedent.
Are you really that stupid?
People usually resign "to spend more time with their family"
Do you believe that they are actually resigning "to spend more time with their family"?

The reasons given for a resignation are rarely the actual reasons for the resignation.
When someone resigns a month into a job, it's because they fucked up.
And this fuck up revolved around telling the Russians not to worry about sanctions, that was an Obama thing, and Trump knows which side the bread is buttered on.
Now if there was nothing wrong with that, why did Flynn tell Pence he did no such thing?

Now we all know the real reason Flynn resigned, because he got caught doing this shit, if no one had found out, it would all be fine.
But he got caught, because he was stupid enough to forget that contacts with foreign governments are monitored.
And the Trump administration is a leaky ship, because it's run by incompetents, and there are no secrets that can be kept by an incompetent amateur crew, all jockeying for position.
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Old February 16th, 2017, 12:40 PM   #77
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Goober has some serious factual information he needs to give to the FBI. Maybe it will lead to an indictment and Goober can lead the prosecution. He can dazzle the jury with such facts as "People usually resign...The reasons given for a resignation are rarely the actual reasons for the resignation...Now we all know the real reason Flynn resigned, because he got caught doing this shit, if no one had found out, it would all be fine.

No mortal defense attorney would stand a chance.
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We are told by the BBC that American law says that civilians not working for the Government are not allowed to inform or negotiate with foreign powers about government policy, especially, I suppose, to attempt to undermine that Government in agreement with a power generally perceived to be the enemy. That would make them what we call traitors.

The BBC!?

The 'law' is the 'Logan Act', which has never been enforced since it became law in 1799.

And Flynn, as the President-Elect's choice as National Security Adviser, had every right to talk to any foreign nation.


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Old February 16th, 2017, 01:16 PM   #79
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Flynn resigned simply because the situation had become a distraction with the rabid fake news MSM suddenly awake after sleeping the past eight years. As a military man, he fell on his sword for his boss.


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Goober has some serious factual information he needs to give to the FBI. Maybe it will lead to an indictment and Goober can lead the prosecution. He can dazzle the jury with such facts as "People usually resign...The reasons given for a resignation are rarely the actual reasons for the resignation...Now we all know the real reason Flynn resigned, because he got caught doing this shit, if no one had found out, it would all be fine.

No mortal defense attorney would stand a chance.
You may think it's "cute" to talk in the third person about Goober or anyone else, but it's not cute.

In context, Flynn's faux pas occurred with his being a member of an administration whose love affair with Putin has been noticed world wide.

For anyone who's had access to Russian state media, Russians were assured of a Trump win and the removal of sanctions.

And then there's the little "white" lie Flynn told to Pence.

The SOB did the right thing and resigned. Now, every contact with the Russians needs to be brought into the light, along with Trump's tax returns.
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