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Old February 15th, 2017, 01:37 PM   #1
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The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn

Wonder why those who claim to oppose the deep state are silent about this. Flynn is a reformer, so the alleged liberals, and libertarians here, should stand in opposition to what happened to Flynn. Yet, crickets.


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... It's also possible that a group of national security bureaucrats and former Obama officials are selectively leaking highly sensitive law enforcement information to undermine the elected government.

Flynn was a fat target for the national security state. He has cultivated a reputation as a reformer and a fierce critic of the intelligence community leaders he once served with when he was the director the Defense Intelligence Agency under President Barack Obama. Flynn was working to reform the intelligence-industrial complex, something that threatened the bureaucratic prerogatives of his rivals.

He was also a fat target for Democrats. Remember Flynn's breakout national moment last summer was when he joined the crowd at the Republican National Convention from the dais calling for Hillary Clinton to be jailed.

In normal times, the idea that U.S. officials entrusted with our most sensitive secrets would selectively disclose them to undermine the White House would alarm those worried about creeping authoritarianism. Imagine if intercepts of a call between Obama's incoming national security adviser and Iran's foreign minister leaked to the press before the nuclear negotiations began? The howls of indignation would be deafening.
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The guy broke the law nearly to the point of treason, then lied about it. I can't see how either side of the political spectrum can defend this guy.

I'm surprised Republicans aren't blasting Flynn for betraying their trust.

Hillary is gone; who gives a shit about her? If conservatives are so concerned about making politicians absolute, law abiding citizens like they claimed when opposing Clinton, then they should stop looking on the past and squabbling, but instead focus on what matters; the here and now. Clean up the government like you said you would do. That includes Republicans as well as any other party.

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Old February 15th, 2017, 02:29 PM   #3
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He was the President-Elect's choice for National Security Adviser, so he had every right. And the alleged law, a fraudulent argument, has never been enforced since 1799, and is likely unconstitutional.

The incoming POTUS has a right to have his people discuss these matters. It is all a sham, as laid out in the OP.

The word "treason" is utterly meaningless in this context.



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The guy broke the law nearly to the point of treason, then lied about it. I can't see how either side of the political spectrum can defend this guy.

I'm surprised Republicans aren't blasting Flynn for betraying their trust.

Hillary is gone; who gives a shit about her? If conservatives are so concerned about making politicians absolute, law abiding citizens like they claimed when opposing Clinton, then they should stop looking on the past and squabbling, but instead focus on what matters; the here and now. Clean up the government like you said you would do. That includes Republicans as well as any other party.
They are focused on the one thing they've always been focused on.

Stealing as much treasure as they possibly can before the whole thing blows up, knowing full well the useful idiots that support them will cover their retreat.

One would have to be either really young, really naive, or both to not know this, or in any way question that fact.
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He was the President-Elect's choice for National Security Adviser, so he had every right. And the alleged law, a fraudulent argument, has never been enforced since 1799, and is likely unconstitutional.

The incoming POTUS has a right to have his people discuss these matters. It is all a sham, as laid out in the OP.

The word "treason" is utterly meaningless in this context.


And yet Flynn felt compelled to lie his ass off to the Vice President.
And the VP went on national TV and repeated the lie, that's pretty embarrassing to Mickey and Donald.

Lying asshole might be more appropriate than traitor, Treason is a strawman, what he did was break the law and lie about it to his boss.
And that will get you fired, even if a lying asshole would make a great national security advisor.
Trump still has Bannon, to keep him up to date on Bigfoot, UFOs and Obama's ties to ISIS....

Yeah, this is going real well...
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The alleged story is that Flynn lied to Pence. Another small matter spun into fake news.

And what law is Flynn supposed to have broken? One unenforced since 1799, one that is likely unconstitutional?



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If that’s really all there was, it should have been a big nothing: An incoming president’s national-security adviser-to-be, in the midst of a transition and only three weeks from taking office, calls the Russian ambassador, fleetingly hears his emergent concerns, and politely but curtly makes no commitments other than the vapid “we’ll look at everything” once we’re in power.

So how did a big nothing inflate into such a scandal? I’m betting that the Trump administration panicked upon realizing — perhaps from the moment Flynn got off the phone — how insidiously the Flynn-Kislyak conversation could be spun. In their panic, they made things immeasurably worse by foolishly lying about the timing and substance of a call someone should have realized was on tape and in the hands of the intelligence community. The IC officials, who had illegally leaked a version of the conversation to the media, quickly realized that the Trump officials were making provably false statements about it. Knowing they had Flynn in the trick bag, they pounced.

We are now learning the anatomy of this debacle. It started about a week before Trump took office. On January 12, the Washington Post’s David Ignatius published a leak from an unidentified “senior U.S. government official,” stating that Flynn called Kislyak “several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials as well as other measures in retaliation for the hacking.” The leak is clearly a felony violation of federal criminal law: It came from FISA surveillance of Kislyak, which is classified information. (emphasis added)

But of course, Ignatius was not interested in that serious crime by his source. He instead concocted an imaginary crime committed by Flynn: a violation of the dubious 1799 Logan Act, which purports to make it illegal for private citizens who are not authorized by the executive branch to conduct freelance foreign policy. It was an absurd allegation. Putting aside that the Logan Act has not been enforced in its two-plus centuries on the books, Flynn was not a mere private citizen. He was a transition official paving the way for a new administration that he would be serving in one of its top national-security positions.

Nevertheless, it was enough to make Trump officials irrational. By the next day, two of them — unidentified — had called Ignatius and preposterously denied that there had even been a Flynn-Kislyak call on December 29. The party line was that communications between the two men had occurred between December 19 (when Flynn expressed condolences over the terrorist murder of a Russian ambassador in Ankara) and December 28; since the calls had happened before the December 29 announcement of sanctions, the Trump story went, the conversation could not possibly have involved sanctions.
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The alleged story is that Flynn lied to Pence. Another small matter spun into fake news.

And what law is Flynn supposed to have broken? One unenforced since 1799, one that is likely unconstitutional?


So did Flynn lie to pence, or did pence lie about that?
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We have at least two people and one of them is the POTUS who could be susceptible to blackmail from a hostile foreign power. WTF, just WTF is wrong with you freaking people??? This is not made up and happens to come to light much faster when you have repeatedly sided with Russia and an evil dictator over our own intelligence agencies.
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They are focused on the one thing they've always been focused on.

Stealing as much treasure as they possibly can before the whole thing blows up, knowing full well the useful idiots that support them will cover their retreat.

One would have to be either really young, really naive, or both to not know this, or in any way question that fact.
Too far. That's approaching conspiracy theory territory.
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