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Old March 17th, 2017, 10:16 AM   #1
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Right on time, the weekend controversy: Britain, you're it.

It's historical now, and thus predictable: The Friday controversy.
Sean Spicer just suggested that Obama used British intelligence to spy on Trump. Britain isnít happy.

In his daily press briefing yesterday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer repeated a claim that President Barack Obama had used British spies to surveil President Trump. After laying out a number of different media sources which Spicer suggested supported Trumpís contention that he was wiretapped, he concluded:

Last, on Fox News on March 14th, Judge Andrew Napolitano made the following statement ó quote ó Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didnít use the NSA, he didnít use the CIA, he didnít use the FBI, and he didnít use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What is that?

Itís the initials for the British intelligence spying agency. So simply by having two people saying to them the president needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trumpís conversations, involving President-elect Trump, heís able to get it and thereís no American fingerprints on this. Putting the published accounts and common sense together, this leads to a lot.

This is an explosive accusation. It has already led to fury in Britain, and reports in British media that Spicer and US National Security Adviser Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster have been forced to quietly apologize. A spokesperson for Britainís Prime Minister, Theresa May, has said that ďweíve received assurances from the White House that these allegations would not be repeated.Ē
More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8cf35a398dad
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Old March 17th, 2017, 10:26 AM   #2
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US will 'not repeat' claims GCHQ wiretapped Donald Trump

The US has agreed not to repeat claims the UK's communications intelligence agency wiretapped Donald Trump during the presidential election campaign.

GCHQ rejected allegations made by White House press secretary Sean Spicer, that it spied on Mr Trump, as "nonsense".

No. 10 has been assured by Mr Spicer he would not repeat the claims, which he cited from US TV channel Fox News.
The White House has said that Mr Spicer was "simply pointing to public reports, not endorsing any specific story".

A spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May said it had been made clear to US authorities the claims were "ridiculous and should have been ignored".

Former foreign secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind said it was not enough to promise not to repeat the allegation.

"That's not the same as saying it was rubbish in the first place," he told the BBC.
GCHQ rejected the allegations as "utterly ridiculous". The unusual move by the agency to comment on the news came after Mr Spicer cited claims first made on Fox News earlier this week.

Mr Trump said Trump Tower in New York was under surveillance, but has provided no evidence for the claim.
That is pretty strong language for the BBC.

US will 'not repeat' claims GCHQ wiretapped Donald Trump - BBC News
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Old March 17th, 2017, 10:30 AM   #3
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Of course GCHQ will deny.

And of course their was surveillance, even the New York Times claimed wiretapping on January 19th and 20th 2017. And all the MSM stories about this and that, and phone conversation information which was released.

People use 'wiretap' as a generic term.



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That's not the BBC's language, it's the official statement issued by GCHQ with the full backing of the British government.
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We all know that spies admit when they spy.....
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Old March 17th, 2017, 02:20 PM   #6
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It's historical now, and thus predictable: The Friday controversy.
Sean Spicer just suggested that Obama used British intelligence to spy on Trump. Britain isnít happy.

In his daily press briefing yesterday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer repeated a claim that President Barack Obama had used British spies to surveil President Trump. After laying out a number of different media sources which Spicer suggested supported Trumpís contention that he was wiretapped, he concluded:

Last, on Fox News on March 14th, Judge Andrew Napolitano made the following statement ó quote ó Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didnít use the NSA, he didnít use the CIA, he didnít use the FBI, and he didnít use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What is that?

Itís the initials for the British intelligence spying agency. So simply by having two people saying to them the president needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trumpís conversations, involving President-elect Trump, heís able to get it and thereís no American fingerprints on this. Putting the published accounts and common sense together, this leads to a lot.

This is an explosive accusation. It has already led to fury in Britain, and reports in British media that Spicer and US National Security Adviser Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster have been forced to quietly apologize. A spokesperson for Britainís Prime Minister, Theresa May, has said that ďweíve received assurances from the White House that these allegations would not be repeated.Ē
More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8cf35a398dad
It was impossible for O to go outside the chain of command because he was CIC. O was merely looking for KGB agents infiltrating T's inner circle.
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GCHQ would have not helped Obama spy on Trump without the express permission of the government of the UK, and I refuse to believe that any British government would be stupid enough to attempt to interfere in internal US politics, as there is nothing to gain and a hell of a lot to lose.
Do you not think that HM government was smart enough to realise that even if the Republicans had lost the last election they would eventually regain the Presidency and that if they then found out about any British involvement, any pretense of a "special relationship" would be truly dead and buried.
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Last, on Fox News on March 14th, Judge Andrew Napolitano made the following statement — quote — Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command.

This is a bold lie. What three intelligence sources?? Informed Fox News? But now Fox is disavowing Napolitano's statement. Smith: "Fox News Knows Of No Evidence Of Any Kind That The Now President Of The United States Was Surveilled At Any Time In Any Way, Full Stop"
So what three intelligence sources informed Fox News---and IF they did, why is Fox NOW saying they didn't?? Fox is in this mess up to their necks.
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Old March 17th, 2017, 03:26 PM   #9
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GCHQ would have not helped Obama spy on Trump without the express permission of the government of the UK, and I refuse to believe that any British government would be stupid enough to attempt to interfere in internal US politics, as there is nothing to gain and a hell of a lot to lose.


And why should they help Obama? What would they have to gain? It makes no sense.
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Old March 17th, 2017, 04:26 PM   #10
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We all know that spies admit when they spy.....
Why is it that idiots always use the disclaimer for rumor and no actual evidence "we all know or it's common knowledge?
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