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Old March 29th, 2017, 10:51 AM   #1
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Trump promised to bring back coal jobs. That promise ‘will not be kept,’ experts say.

More broken promises, this promise a promise impossible to honor when the promise was made. The article's headline, "will not be kept" should read "can not be kept," or "should not be kept."

Market forces - mainly cheap natural gas, a vastly cleaner fossil fuel - are killing coal.

Businessman Trump ought to know this.
Trump promised to bring back coal jobs. That promise ‘will not be kept,’ experts say.

President Trump lifted a moratorium on federal coal leases Tuesday, paving the way for excavation of a fossil fuel on public land in the West that few mining companies seem to want.

With coal miners gathered around him, Trump signed an executive order rolling back a temporary ban on mining coal and a stream protection rule imposed by the Obama administration....

“I made them this promise,” Trump said, “we will put our miners back to work.”

But industry experts say coal mining jobs will continue to be lost, not because of blocked access to coal, but because power plant owners are turning to natural gas....

As power companies switch fuels, “the amount of coal in the national energy generation mix (both Fuels and Electricity Generation) has declined by 53 percent since 2006,” according to a Department of Energy report released in January. Over the same period, electricity generation from natural gas increased 33 percent.

The shift was mirrored by employment, with jobs in natural gas and other cleaner energy resources rising and coal jobs declining, the report said....

...Paul Bledsoe, a lecturer at American University’s Center for Environmental Policy, an Interior official under President Bill Clinton, called Trump’s attempt at job creation “sheer nonsense.” Coal’s decline is too steep.

“No company will bid on new leases when there’s already a glut of unwanted coal on the market,” Bledsoe said. “Trump’s false promise that he can bring back coal is really exposed as so much coal dust and mirrors by this executive order, since utilities will continue to use natural gas instead of coal.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 11:09 AM   #2
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I've been wondering when this issue would come up.. JOBS. More specifically COAL JOBS. Yes, IT. King Twit is going to magically produce thousands of coal jobs. Even though the coal industry has a long history of decline. Of course the fault LIES WITH......yep....OBAMA, especially according to Rand Paul. According to employment counts from the Mine Safety and Health Administration, from 1983 — the earliest year for which MSHA had data — to 1989, combined coal jobs in West Virginia and Kentucky fell from 79,000 to 64,000.
In the following four years under the first President Bush, coal jobs in the two states fell to 56,000. And by the final year of the Clinton administration, the states' combined total of mining jobs had fallen to a nadir of 33,000.
Let's see.....how many decades was that?? What changed? THE INDUSTRY AND alternative energy--clean energy. Fracking. Natural gas. Solar. Wind.

Come one, RightWing. For once, could you step into the 21st century?? How about encouraging these coal guys to get retrained? Go to vocational school. Pick up some new marketable skills instead of crying over spilt coal.
Coal jobs are NOT coming back....I don't care what Trump says. And anyone who believes Trump should be smacked upside the head.
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Actually, there were naysayer articles back last summer, and in mid-November the New York Times did at least two such articles, more of the same negativity by Trump-haters.

With Trump in office, coal mining town begins making comeback


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Actually, there were naysayer articles back last summer, and in mid-November the New York Times did at least two such articles, more of the same negativity by Trump-haters.

With Trump in office, coal mining town begins making comeback


Interesting, you do NOT say the statements are wrong or inaccurate.
You just whine they are "Trump-haters."

Interesting, you seem to think telling the truth is hating on Donny The Dumbfuck.

Cute...truth=negativity.
You boys are just too fucking ridiculous.
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If the coal industry goes under because the market demand dries up so be it, most people w/ any forethought could see this happening eventually. At least somewhat.

That is very different than it being regulated out of existance. If the handcuffs that have been placed on it by the state have been removed and the demand dries up then that is that. What else should be expected of The Golden Lion?
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If the coal industry goes under because the market demand dries up so be it, most people w/ any forethought could see this happening eventually. At least somewhat.

That is very different than it being regulated out of existance. If the handcuffs that have been placed on it by the state have been removed and the demand dries up then that is that. What else should be expected of The Golden Lion?
What regulations, specifically?
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Use natural gas to produce electricity, and CO2 and H2O are produced. Use coal, and CO2 and ash, tons and tons of ash, are produced.

How Many More Coal Ash Spills?
What is the largest type of trash produced in the U.S.? It’s not whatever you’re thinking, most likely. It’s coal ash. Burning coal produces more than 100 million metric tons of coal ash per yearthe gray or black sooty aftermath of our fossil fuel habit.


What is the largest type of trash produced in the U.S.? It's not whatever you're thinking, most likely. It's coal ash.

Burning coal produces more than 100 million metric tons of coal ash per year—the gray or black sooty aftermath of our fossil fuel habit. Even though a good chunk of it is turned into concrete, tens of millions of metric tons end up dumped back into old mines and landfills or impounded in slurry ponds (to keep it from blowing away).

Unfortunately, those slurry ponds tend to leak....

...Coal ash is not a benign form of garbage. Burning coal concentrates the heavy metals and other toxic elements (including radionuclides) found in the dirtiest of fossil fuels. Samples of Dan River water sent for testing by Waterkeeper Alliance revealed arsenic, chromium and lead at dangerously high levels. The arsenic levels of 0.349 milligrams per liter is some 35 times higher than levels considered acceptable for drinking water by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

The EPA is still considering the larger question of what should be done nationwide about this toxic pollution that we have in copious quantities, after industry criticism stalled the first-ever proposal in 2010 to regulate the hazardous waste. But the agency has already determined that more than 580 coal-ash storage sites exist in varying states of repair across the U.S., ... and there are 48 other sites the agency considers a risk for killing people in the event of an accident.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...al-ash-spills/
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More broken promises, this promise a promise impossible to honor when the promise was made. The article's headline, "will not be kept" should read "can not be kept," or "should not be kept."

Market forces - mainly cheap natural gas, a vastly cleaner fossil fuel - are killing coal.

Businessman Trump ought to know this.
Trump promised to bring back coal jobs. That promise ‘will not be kept,’ experts say.

President Trump lifted a moratorium on federal coal leases Tuesday, paving the way for excavation of a fossil fuel on public land in the West that few mining companies seem to want.

With coal miners gathered around him, Trump signed an executive order rolling back a temporary ban on mining coal and a stream protection rule imposed by the Obama administration....

“I made them this promise,” Trump said, “we will put our miners back to work.”

But industry experts say coal mining jobs will continue to be lost, not because of blocked access to coal, but because power plant owners are turning to natural gas....

As power companies switch fuels, “the amount of coal in the national energy generation mix (both Fuels and Electricity Generation) has declined by 53 percent since 2006,” according to a Department of Energy report released in January. Over the same period, electricity generation from natural gas increased 33 percent.

The shift was mirrored by employment, with jobs in natural gas and other cleaner energy resources rising and coal jobs declining, the report said....

...Paul Bledsoe, a lecturer at American University’s Center for Environmental Policy, an Interior official under President Bill Clinton, called Trump’s attempt at job creation “sheer nonsense.” Coal’s decline is too steep.

“No company will bid on new leases when there’s already a glut of unwanted coal on the market,” Bledsoe said. “Trump’s false promise that he can bring back coal is really exposed as so much coal dust and mirrors by this executive order, since utilities will continue to use natural gas instead of coal.
The article said public lands in the west. If memory serves me correctly most if not all of the coal in the west is lignite. A low energy coal also called brown coal. We need Kentucky, West Virginia and Pennsylvania coal. Ohio has coal but it is high sulfur and we don't need that.
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Actually, there were naysayer articles back last summer, and in mid-November the New York Times did at least two such articles, more of the same negativity by Trump-haters.

With Trump in office, coal mining town begins making comeback
Should we bring back firemen on diesel locomotives?

Trump's ending "the war on coal" was nothing more than a play for votes. The world is leaving coal behind. Sorry you choose not to come along.
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More broken promises, this promise a promise impossible to honor when the promise was made. The article's headline, "will not be kept" should read "can not be kept," or "should not be kept."

Market forces - mainly cheap natural gas, a vastly cleaner fossil fuel - are killing coal.

Businessman Trump ought to know this.
Trump promised to bring back coal jobs. That promise ‘will not be kept,’ experts say.

President Trump lifted a moratorium on federal coal leases Tuesday, paving the way for excavation of a fossil fuel on public land in the West that few mining companies seem to want.

With coal miners gathered around him, Trump signed an executive order rolling back a temporary ban on mining coal and a stream protection rule imposed by the Obama administration....

“I made them this promise,” Trump said, “we will put our miners back to work.”

But industry experts say coal mining jobs will continue to be lost, not because of blocked access to coal, but because power plant owners are turning to natural gas....

As power companies switch fuels, “the amount of coal in the national energy generation mix (both Fuels and Electricity Generation) has declined by 53 percent since 2006,” according to a Department of Energy report released in January. Over the same period, electricity generation from natural gas increased 33 percent.

The shift was mirrored by employment, with jobs in natural gas and other cleaner energy resources rising and coal jobs declining, the report said....

...Paul Bledsoe, a lecturer at American University’s Center for Environmental Policy, an Interior official under President Bill Clinton, called Trump’s attempt at job creation “sheer nonsense.” Coal’s decline is too steep.

“No company will bid on new leases when there’s already a glut of unwanted coal on the market,” Bledsoe said. “Trump’s false promise that he can bring back coal is really exposed as so much coal dust and mirrors by this executive order, since utilities will continue to use natural gas instead of coal.
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