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Old April 8th, 2017, 08:00 PM   #91
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So why not blurt out the silly conspiracy theory you are enthralled with.
Let me guess, this was a "false flag" operation, you like those, everything is a "false flag operation" in your world, like Sandy Hook, 911, Pearl Harbor and nearly everything else in the "so called history books".


I "know" what happened because I read about it in news sources that I trust.
Oh, I know that occasionally those sources get something wrong, but in the real world we deal with that, we don't assume that nothing we read is true, unless it's on some crazy conspiracy website.
Way to pay attention pumpkin. I posted this like 3 hours before your "guess"
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That makes far more sense than Assad using chemical weapons.

Here is how I see it. Some faction created chemical wepons false flag to goat the US into acting after they said they no longer cared what went on over there. Trump/Putin and maybe even Assad agreed on this retaliation to cull the masses. If Assad was in on it I would guess the trade off would be the protection of the neighboring town that is primarily Christian and host to some ancient churches.

This is what I have been getting at since the attack
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Old April 8th, 2017, 08:30 PM   #92
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Way to pay attention pumpkin. I posted this like 3 hours before your "guess"
Goofball.

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What is this love of the "false flag" ?
You assume that everyone is soooo clever that they can pull off a "false flag"operation and not leave a trace.

But it's easy to believe that Assad sandbagged some chemical weapons.
You know what makes even more sense, the Syrians missed some chemical weapons, they look like regular ordnance, and they loaded the plane for this attack with a chemical bomb by mistake.
So what was supposed to be HE was actually Sarin.

That explains a lot doesn't it?

In Iraq, that's what happened, only the Republican Guard got training in chemical weapons use, the munitions were color coded, but the regular army wasn't taught the color codes, and so some chemical weapons were mixed in with other ordnance.
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Old April 8th, 2017, 09:28 PM   #93
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What is this love of the "false flag" ?
You assume that everyone is soooo clever that they can pull off a "false flag"operation and not leave a trace.

But it's easy to believe that Assad sandbagged some chemical weapons.
You know what makes even more sense, the Syrians missed some chemical weapons, they look like regular ordnance, and they loaded the plane for this attack with a chemical bomb by mistake.
So what was supposed to be HE was actually Sarin.

That explains a lot doesn't it?

In Iraq, that's what happened, only the Republican Guard got training in chemical weapons use, the munitions were color coded, but the regular army wasn't taught the color codes, and so some chemical weapons were mixed in with other ordnance.

Ok then.

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So instead of yammering about it post some evidence.

Should be easy since you are so bloody confidant. But you have not, I wonder why?

Huh?
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Old April 9th, 2017, 08:19 PM   #94
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Yes YES! WE got the message that Trump wasn't trying to kill people. Unfortunately HE DID. According to NewsWeek: Nine civilians, including four children, were killed in the United States missile attack on a military airbase in Homs province in the early hours of Friday morning, the Syrian state news agency has said.
The report from SANA cited civil sources as stating that two missiles struck the al-Shairat airbase, resulting in the deaths of five civilians, including three children, and damage to houses. It adds that another U.S. missile fell in a nearby village, around two miles away from the airbase, killing four civilians, including one child.
Warning the Russians MUST have been the proper thing to do--Sure glad the Russians weren't hit.....just Syrian children and civilians. Maybe the Russians forgot to tell the Syrian civilians...?
When a warning is given, and you don't respond, who's fault is it? Funny, no Russians were hurt yet, civilians were? When you see military personal running away, what would a rational person do?
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Old April 9th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #95
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finding a way to attack President Trump over the attack on Syria. Even Senator Schumer has said it was the right thing to do. All they can do is keep repeating what is going to happen next...we need to know. No, CNN, you don't need to "know" everything that is going to happen or everything that might happen, so you can bash the decisions.

There are much more competent and informed people advising and working with our President than your reporters.
Maybe according to DNC Democrats, it's the right thing to do if the Senator from Wall Street says so, but that's not what international law says about rules limiting attacking other sovereign nations. Here's what you won't find on CNN or any other fake news disaster-porn network:

US Syria Strike Was Illegal, No Matter Who Carried Out Gas Attack
US Syria Strike Was Illegal, No Matter Who Carried Out Gas Attack

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PAUL JAY: There's also a report of a photograph from another western journalist, not a barn, supposedly an old warehouse that was, also looked empty. And you could see it in the wreckage, there doesn't seem to have been anything there. But isn't that the whole point, is one doesn't know. And what--

PHYLLIS BENNIS: Well, we don't know for sure, but yes, that's the point. And if we're talking about real accountability, and not this kind of, lashing out accountability at the point of a bomb, which we know doesn't work. If we're talking about legal accountability, using the international criminal court, using international law, you need real evidence. You need to be able to prove what was there, how do you know who carried it out?

Assertion is not enough. But I think, the real key comes down to, even if, even if we knew that it was sarin, and had been carried out by the Syrian regime, the U.S. military response would still be illegal, both in domestic and international law.

PAULJAY: So, start with international law. If you watched the UN Security Council, only the Russians and the Syrians -- I'm sorry I missed anyone that might have spoken earlier -- actually raised the issue of international law. All the other countries essentially applauded the American attack. But what is the international law on this? Is there no UN resolution within, which this would have been allowed?

PHYLLIS BENNIS: This is not a UN resolution issue. This is the UN Charter. The UN Charter is very vague about a lot of things, but it's very clear about one thing, and that is, when is it legal to go to war? When is it legal to use a military strike? There's only two occasions according to the UN Charter, and the UN Charter, of course, is the law of the land in the United States.

The UN Charter says, "A country can use military force under two circumstances: Number one, if the Security Council authorizes it." Clearly that didn't happen. Nobody asked. Number two, Article 51 of the UN Charter, which is about self-defense. But it's a very narrowly constrained version of self-defense. It's not just, "Oh I'd say that was self-defense, so I can do whatever I want. It says very explicitly, "If a country has been attacked." We were not attacked. "Until..." another qualification, "until the Security Council can meet, immediate self-defense is allowed." Neither of those two categories applied here.

So, it was clearly an illegal act. Now the U.S. claim, is that this was in the interest of a U.S. national interest. Something that does not permit the use of force, absent those other two things. In the interests of non-proliferation, a noble goal, but one that does not allow the use of military force, absent those other two provisions.


So, you can talk all you want about, it's in our national interest; you can talk about how we were doing this to prevent the expansion of these terrible weapons. None of that authorizes the use of military force against another country. It's simply not allowed. It is, as Representative Barbara Lee, from California, in a letter this afternoon, she said, "This is an act of war. There is no question about that."............................................

US Syria Strike Was Illegal, No Matter Who Carried Out Gas Attack
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That was true for WW II fighters but many of the current ones are heavy suckers and a quick repave doesn't cut it anymore. It would still be a several week project, perhaps longer depending on the infrastructure there.
That's not the case at all. It is a simple quick fix. I posted a link explaining this in a different thread.

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That's not the case at all. It is a simple quick fix. I posted a link explaining this in a different thread.

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What's not the case? Look it up. An F-16 weighs four times as much as a P-51
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What's not the case? Look it up. An F-16 weighs four times as much as a P-51
He is not talking about the weight of planes, but the ability of the engineers to repair runways quickly. Airstrips of modern air forces can become operational again within 6 hours.

Emergency repairs are done to the minimum length and width necessary for takeoff and landing during times of ongoing hostilities. And the Russian planes are designed to operate from minimal and substandard strips, and the helicopters will not need runways to keep up operations. What all the aircraft do need is fuel, munitions, support machinery and vehicles in bunkers, maintenance facilities, etc, in order to remain operational - that was the infrastructures targeted.
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What's not the case? Look it up. An F-16 weighs four times as much as a P-51
I am not referring to the weight of the plane. I am referring to how easy it is to repair a runway.

Which is why I asked previously to see about combining the threads some, because it seems to me same or very similar subjects are getting spread all over the board.
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He is not talking about the weight of planes, but the ability of the engineers to repair runways quickly. Airstrips of modern air forces can become operational again within 6 hours.

Emergency repairs are done to the minimum length and width necessary for takeoff and landing during times of ongoing hostilities. And the Russian planes are designed to operate from minimal and substandard strips, and the helicopters will not need runways to keep up operations. What all the aircraft do need is fuel, munitions, support machinery and vehicles in bunkers, maintenance facilities, etc, in order to remain operational - that was the infrastructures targeted.
Thank you for the obvious answer. This runway talk is just bullshit
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