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Old April 8th, 2017, 12:08 PM   #71
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so you are saying that they left the runways intact so they could use them or so that the Syrians could?


AND apparently the Syrians did use the runway, because on Saturday another town was hit by chemical attacks. "Warplanes on Saturday struck the Syrian town where a chemical attack had killed scores of people earlier this week, as Turkey warned that a retaliatory U.S. missile strike on a Syrian air base would only be "cosmetic" if greater efforts are not made to remove President Bashar Assad from power."

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Trump's message must have been lost in translation??
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AND apparently the Syrians did use the runway, because on Saturday another town was hit by chemical attacks. "Warplanes on Saturday struck the Syrian town where a chemical attack had killed scores of people earlier this week, as Turkey warned that a retaliatory U.S. missile strike on a Syrian air base would only be "cosmetic" if greater efforts are not made to remove President Bashar Assad from power."

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Let me correct you on that. Another town was not hit with a chemical attack. Syria continued conventional bombing.
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Well, if you have not noticed he just did pick a fight with Russia. Or, at least he acted in a manner that was definitely not in their best interests and the Russians have opposed it. So, with that said, care to bring some proof about Trump and Russia and billions.
It's wise to stay open to the possibility that Putin allowed the attacks and the US counterattacks to give the appearance that he and Trump aren't colluding.

In fact, the Russians are taking credit for not responding to Trump's attack on Assad, "avoiding WWIII" the line goes.
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Let me correct you on that. Another town was not hit with a chemical attack. Syria continued conventional bombing.


I stand corrected and bow to your wisdom, Cokie. Good catch.
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It's wise to stay open to the possibility that Putin allowed the attacks and the US counterattacks to give the appearance that he and Trump aren't colluding.

In fact, the Russians are taking credit for not responding to Trump's attack on Assad, "avoiding WWIII" the line goes.
That makes far more sence than Assad using chemical weapons.

Here is how I see it. Some faction created chemical wepons false flag to goat the US into acting after they said they no longer cared what went on over there. Trump/Putin and maybe even Assad agreed on this retaliation to cull the masses. If Assad was in on it I would guess the trade off would be the protection of the neighboring town that is primarily Christian and host to some ancient churches.

This is what I have been getting at since the attack
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Vlad has the deployed capability to take out cruises missiles.

But he didn't.
If trump would have been serious about bombing Assad's airfield he would have taken out the runways and not warned his buddy putin prior to the attack. The BDAs don't show the kind of damage 59 tomahawks should have done. In my opinion trump was just trying to play commander, trying to show he had power ( to his weak minded followers) and to deflect from the investigations in to his own corruption. trump wasted millions of taxpayer dollars and didn't accomplish a thing.
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That makes far more sence than Assad using chemical weapons.

Here is how I see it. Some faction created chemical wepons false flag to goat the US into acting after they said they no longer cared what went on over there. Trump/Putin and maybe even Assad agreed on this retaliation to cull the masses. If Assad was in on it I would guess the trade off would be the protection of the neighboring town that is primarily Christian and host to some ancient churches.

This is what I have been getting at since the attack
Trump has touted his deal-making credentials. Here are the elements of a possible deal:

• Assad drops a few chemical bombs on his people. No big deal, he's done w
orse already and gotten away with it.

• Assad is railed as a bad guy, but so what? That's nothing new.

• Trump gets to look tough, or maybe moral, by ordering the action.

• Putin, too, gets to look good to the home crowd for showing "restraint" by not starting WWIII.

• Assad's air force is weakened, which strengthens Russia's air superiority and weakens Assad who's an embarrassment for Putin, similar to how Kim is an embarrassment for Xi.

• Trump and Putin get to say to their respective accusers, "See? We're not big buddies!"

• Trump gets to blame Obama again for the mess he inherited.

I'm sure I've missed some points so please add to the list.
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If trump would have been serious about bombing Assad's airfield he would have taken out the runways and not warned his buddy putin prior to the attack. The BDAs don't show the kind of damage 59 tomahawks should have done. In my opinion trump was just trying to play commander, trying to show he had power ( to his weak minded followers) and to deflect from the investigations in to his own corruption. trump wasted millions of taxpayer dollars and didn't accomplish a thing.
I've come to agree with others that repairing craters in runways is relatively easy, cheap, and quick to do, and that taking out infrastructure delivers a far more serious hit to the military value of an airstrip.
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The point is: The Russians let it happen and were forewarned.

The odds are almost certain that they passed this information onto Assad.
Of course they did. I think that was the point. I think Trump wanted to demonstrate what could happen instead of mass damage
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It's wise to stay open to the possibility that Putin allowed the attacks and the US counterattacks to give the appearance that he and Trump aren't colluding.

In fact, the Russians are taking credit for not responding to Trump's attack on Assad, "avoiding WWIII" the line goes.
Putin did allow it to happen. We know that now. We know that Trump informed him of what he was going to do. I also think Putin made the decision to not shoot down the missiles and not push things up. Much like Kruschev backing down during the Russian missile crisis
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That makes far more sence than Assad using chemical weapons.

Here is how I see it. Some faction created chemical wepons false flag to goat the US into acting after they said they no longer cared what went on over there. Trump/Putin and maybe even Assad agreed on this retaliation to cull the masses. If Assad was in on it I would guess the trade off would be the protection of the neighboring town that is primarily Christian and host to some ancient churches.

This is what I have been getting at since the attack
You meed some proof. Sorry but your now in tinfoil hat territory.
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Trump has touted his deal-making credentials. Here are the elements of a possible deal:

• Assad drops a few chemical bombs on his people. No big deal, he's done w
orse already and gotten away with it.

• Assad is railed as a bad guy, but so what? That's nothing new.

• Trump gets to look tough, or maybe moral, by ordering the action.

• Putin, too, gets to look good to the home crowd for showing "restraint" by not starting WWIII.

• Assad's air force is weakened, which strengthens Russia's air superiority and weakens Assad who's an embarrassment for Putin, similar to how Kim is an embarrassment for Xi.

• Trump and Putin get to say to their respective accusers, "See? We're not big buddies!"

• Trump gets to blame Obama again for the mess he inherited.

I'm sure I've missed some points so please add to the list.
Tin foil hat conspiracy theory. Find the proof instead of yammering about smoke an such. Thats all I am saying
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Of course they did. I think that was the point. I think Trump wanted to demonstrate what could happen instead of mass damage

Putin did allow it to happen. We know that now. We know that Trump informed him of what he was going to do. I also think Putin made the decision to not shoot down the missiles and not push things up. Much like Kruschev backing down during the Russian missile crisis

You meed some proof. Sorry but your now in tinfoil hat territory.


Tin foil hat conspiracy theory. Find the proof instead of yammering about smoke an such. Thats all I am saying
We need to see how things unfold. We were, however, told ad nauseam that we need to work with the Russians, that being friends with the Russians is best. Then Trump supporters picked up on that meme, and began calling anyone who didn't agree with it a neocon, a war monger, a fool cheering for WWIII.
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