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Old April 16th, 2017, 06:33 PM   #21
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Alipes has been eagerly awaiting for your appearance because she wanted to know who are the intellectuals on this board. I told her that Asimov is a History Professor at a major university in Indiana who plays the French Horn.
Just a small correction - Asimov teaches in Minnesota, not Indiana.
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I grew up as a Christian, where we raised our hands while singing, and some people "spoke in tongues." In fact I remember the day I was kind of coerced into doing it myself. I was fourteen or so, and everyone else had spoken in tongues, but I hadn't, and at our summer retreat, I felt pressure to do it. I had a couple of older people with me, praying, helping me to do it, so I just faked it and stated speaking gibberish close to the gibberish others were speaking. After that, everything was fantastic at camp, the lord had moved me to speak in tongues, and now I could be expected to do so at any future moment I felt fervid enough.

It was when I became cognizant that the King James Bible was a compilation and edited out other contemporaneous writings that I first got disenchanted. I knew that while a Christian, but didn't become cognizant of its ramifications for awhile.

Then when I found out that all the stories of Genesis were originally told by the Sumerians on cuneiform tablets--that's when the gig was up for me.

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That's interesting. Many Christians of various stripes consistently do that to atheists too.
The problem is atheist try entirely to hard to disprove something they say doesn't exist, funniest thing I have ever seen!
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Then when I found out that all the stories of Genesis were originally told by the Sumerians on cuneiform tablets--that's when the gig was up for me.
I think you might be referring to the Epic of Gilgamesh, decoded from 23 clay tablets located in the ruins of ancient Nineveh. Some of Gilgamesh's accounts are similar to what is recorded in Genesis, like the Flood account, but also distinctly different. Abraham, founder of the Hebrew race, was originally from Sumeria, so some similarities would be expected. But Gilgamesh was not the founder of a race of people who recorded their traditions and beliefs with extreme accuracy, and we don't even know if was a real person.

Of Abraham there is no reasonable doubt, and there is only one version of these stories in Hebrew literary culture.
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I think you might be referring to the Epic of Gilgamesh, decoded from 23 clay tablets located in the ruins of ancient Nineveh. Some of Gilgamesh's accounts are similar to what is recorded in Genesis, like the Flood account, but also distinctly different. Abraham, founder of the Hebrew race, was originally from Sumeria, so some similarities would be expected. But Gilgamesh was not the founder of a race of people who recorded their traditions and beliefs with extreme accuracy, and we don't even know if was a real person.

Of Abraham there is no reasonable doubt, and there is only one version of these stories in Hebrew literary culture.
I know that in the 1850s Europeans began excavating the mounds in the Tigris/Euphrates area. And I do believe there was/is an oldest city where beneath it, nothing but virgin soil. That city and subsequent cities had fired clay tablets with cuneiform writing that predate the Gilgamesh epic. There are no scenes in the Gilgamesh narrative where a principle character is deciding what their new creation ought to look like, asking in whose image shall they be made.
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I know that in the 1850s Europeans began excavating the mounds in the Tigris/Euphrates area. And I do believe there was/is an oldest city where beneath it, nothing but virgin soil. That city and subsequent cities had fired clay tablets with cuneiform writing that predate the Gilgamesh epic. There are no scenes in the Gilgamesh narrative where a principle character is deciding what their new creation ought to look like, asking in whose image shall they be made.
Fascinating. I'm not familiar with these excavations. I'd like to know more.
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Fascinating. I'm not familiar with these excavations. I'd like to know more.
Here, try this: https://books.google.com/books?id=1R...page&q&f=false
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(I was just getting back to the original post)
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Rev 2

"And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;"

"I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth."

Pergamos is in Turkey, keep an eye on Turkey. Erdogan fancies himself the Modern Caliph.
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