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Old April 16th, 2017, 11:02 AM   #11
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Maybe if we just let the fat little dictator alone, the North Korean people would wise up and take him out on their own.
I think it would have been much more likely if they didn't have a real fear of invasion by the US and that reunification would look like the reunification of Germany...with the East becoming a small, poorer colony of the West.

Their "great leader" of the resistance against the Japanese and the Civil War - Kim Il Sung, was likely unassailable regardless of whatever he said in his long, rambling speeches; but his son and grandson are probably only there because of still existing collective memory of the large scale death and destruction of the North and the war games going on today. If North Korea had a reasonable expectation that they could live under their own terms, I think a revolution would be very possible.

And conversely, the majority of Russians and other Warsaw Pact nations ended up with buyer's remorse(1998 uprising against Yeltsin) when they saw what America and western capitalism was about to unleash on them...but the former communist party officials who became the new class of billionaires of the east, have had no intentions of turning back the clock.

During the Cold War, American leaders in both the political and military class, were all in agreement that to deal with an enemy, you have to understand them and their motivations. That is the #1 thing missing today in global politics, and why I see this new cold war as far more dangerous than the one I grew up in!
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The moment you said Trump is a bully to North Korea. That is now the moment that you have officially became this sites village idiot.
Actually he's right! The Trump Government is trying to raise anxiety levels of a regime and a nation that is still fully aware that the US never agreed to terms of ending the Korean War and is always paranoid that the war can restart at any time. No doubt North Korean leaders ramp up their own paranoia...but I can say the same thing about rightwing clowns in America today!

Some of the pundits who are likely presenting Trump White House thought bubbles to the MSM, are telling us that at some point, Fat Boy will have to back down and he knows it. Well, how the fuck does he know this, and who the hell is over there observing him and reading his mind or the thinking of his closest advisors?

So, I can only conclude that Trump is at the leading edge of an already existing insane, paranoid style of thinking of top US decision-makers and industrialists supplying the ammo. And, since Trump has already betrayed his base of supporters that were so pissed off that they pulled the lever and took a chance on him, his support will wither away.

I guess you'll remain among the last of the Trump dead-enders who will never admit that you put the wrong creep in the White House! Can't say Hillary would have been better on these issues, but anyone who voted Trump has to admit he's not there for any purpose other than lining his pockets and those of his friends. And if he has to blow up the world to do it, he's willing to go along with all the Neocon hawks he condemned while running for election last year.
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I think it would have been much more likely if they didn't have a real fear of invasion by the US and that reunification would look like the reunification of Germany...with the East becoming a small, poorer colony of the West.

Their "great leader" of the resistance against the Japanese and the Civil War - Kim Il Sung, was likely unassailable regardless of whatever he said in his long, rambling speeches; but his son and grandson are probably only there because of still existing collective memory of the large scale death and destruction of the North and the war games going on today. If North Korea had a reasonable expectation that they could live under their own terms, I think a revolution would be very possible.

And conversely, the majority of Russians and other Warsaw Pact nations ended up with buyer's remorse(1998 uprising against Yeltsin) when they saw what America and western capitalism was about to unleash on them...but the former communist party officials who became the new class of billionaires of the east, have had no intentions of turning back the clock.

During the Cold War, American leaders in both the political and military class, were all in agreement that to deal with an enemy, you have to understand them and their motivations. That is the #1 thing missing today in global politics, and why I see this new cold war as far more dangerous than the one I grew up in!
Because the decades of East Germany suffering under Socialism had nothing to do with them being behind.
Talk about propaganda rhetoric
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Actually he's right! The Trump Government is trying to raise anxiety levels of a regime and a nation that is still fully aware that the US never agreed to terms of ending the Korean War and is always paranoid that the war can restart at any time. No doubt North Korean leaders ramp up their own paranoia...but I can say the same thing about rightwing clowns in America today!

Some of the pundits who are likely presenting Trump White House thought bubbles to the MSM, are telling us that at some point, Fat Boy will have to back down and he knows it. Well, how the fuck does he know this, and who the hell is over there observing him and reading his mind or the thinking of his closest advisors?

So, I can only conclude that Trump is at the leading edge of an already existing insane, paranoid style of thinking of top US decision-makers and industrialists supplying the ammo. And, since Trump has already betrayed his base of supporters that were so pissed off that they pulled the lever and took a chance on him, his support will wither away.

I guess you'll remain among the last of the Trump dead-enders who will never admit that you put the wrong creep in the White House! Can't say Hillary would have been better on these issues, but anyone who voted Trump has to admit he's not there for any purpose other than lining his pockets and those of his friends. And if he has to blow up the world to do it, he's willing to go along with all the Neocon hawks he condemned while running for election last year.
What a bunch of deflecting bullshit. North Korea has been the aggressor for decades now. Get fucking real

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January 1967

North Korean artillery targets a South Korean vessel, the Dangpo, patrolling in the Yellow Sea with 70 sailors on board. The ship sinks, killing 39 of the crew.
January 1968

A team of 31 North Korean commandos crosses into South Korea and breaks into the presidential palace, the Blue House, in an attempt to assassinate President Park Chung-hee. The attempt is crushed by South Korean security forces, Mr Park survives but seven South Koreans and most of the commandos are killed.
January 1968

The research ship the USS Pueblo is captured by North Korea while on a surveillance mission. One crew member dies during the capture and the remaining 82 are taken to prison camps in the North.

The prisoners are released 11 months later after the US gave an apology and assurances the vessel had not been spying - both were later retracted. The Pueblo remains in North Korea as a museum - the only US warship in captivity.
December 1969

A South Korean airliner is hijacked and forced to fly to North Korea. Dozens of passengers are taken hostage. In January, 39 of the hostages were released but the remaining 12 are not known to have been freed.
August 1974

President Park's wife dies during a second attempt on his life - she is hit by stray bullets after a suspected North Korean agent opens fire at a public function.
October 1983

North Korea bombs a hotel in Rangoon, Burma, during a visit by President Chun Doo-hwan. He survives but 21 people, including some government ministers, are killed.
November 1987

A bomb, allegedly planted by North Korean agents, explodes on board a South Korean airliner travelling to Seoul from Baghdad. All 115 passengers and crew are killed.
September 1996

A North Korean submarine runs aground near Gangneung, off the east coast of South Korea, while allegedly conducting a spy mission. The crew of 26 escape to the shore, sparking a manhunt.

Eleven of the crew are found dead, apparently shot by their compatriots, but the rest go on the run for nearly two months. One alleged spy escapes, one is captured by South Korean security forces and the rest are killed. Several South Koreans also die in the operation.
March 2010

A 1,200-tonne Corvette, the Cheonan, goes down near the disputed maritime border with North Korea - the Northern Limit Line. Many of the crew members escape but 46 are killed. After an extensive investigation, Seoul rules that a torpedo explosion directly beneath the vessel sank it and that the only "plausible explanation" is that North Korea was to blame. Pyongyang denies any involvement.
November 2010

North Korea shells a South Korean border island, Yeonpyeong, killing four South Koreans, including two civilians. It says it was responding to military exercises in the South.
Timeline: North Korean attacks - BBC News
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What a bunch of deflecting bullshit. North Korea has been the aggressor for decades now. Get fucking real


Timeline: North Korean attacks - BBC News
Count how many times "suspected" shows up on your list! I remember all the hubub about the Pueblo drifted in to North Korean waters when it was captured and the crew held by the North Koreans/while your list includes an NK sub sinking in South Korean waters and the crew fleeing and swimming to shore(whereabouts unknown) as an 'incident.'

How about if I post a 50 year timeline of all the occasions where Israel has bombed and attacked its neighbors without warning! That should take up more than a full page.

I mentioned before, that wargames are practice for the real thing, and as long as the War has never officially ended and wargames are a regular activity, something worse could go wrong. And recent developments indicate that something worse will come along when arriving carrier fleets are in place!
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Count how many times "suspected" shows up on your list! I remember all the hubub about the Pueblo drifted in to North Korean waters when it was captured and the crew held by the North Koreans/while your list includes an NK sub sinking in South Korean waters and the crew fleeing and swimming to shore(whereabouts unknown) as an 'incident.'

How about if I post a 50 year timeline of all the occasions where Israel has bombed and attacked its neighbors without warning! That should take up more than a full page.

I mentioned before, that wargames are practice for the real thing, and as long as the War has never officially ended and wargames are a regular activity, something worse could go wrong. And recent developments indicate that something worse will come along when arriving carrier fleets are in place!
I did not realize we was talking about Israel. But, you probably do not want to go down that road either. I mean I get the whole regressive left Muslim love thing an all, jus sayin
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Count how many times "suspected" shows up on your list!
How often does our Jewish mass media suspect Mossad ever had anything to do with all these false flags? When you control the mass media almost worldwide and you have your own tribe member running the DHS, anything is possible and much is probable.
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I did not realize we was talking about Israel. But, you probably do not want to go down that road either. I mean I get the whole regressive left Muslim love thing an all, jus sayin
I didn't realize we were talking about East Germany!

There's no such thing as "regressive left!" And that's a bullshit term anyway, coined by cruise missile liberals to begin with, to condemn everyone on the left who doesn't follow them back into pro war imperialism...so why are you using it?

The real left neither loves/nor loathes Muslims more than any other religious and cultural group in the world! The difference is we look at what governments and leaders do and pay less attention to what they say! So, we've noticed that while the US rightwing foams at the mouth about Muslims, and liberals tacitly encourage this when it suits their purposes (Syria), that Israel is in full partnership with the worst governments in the Muslim World: Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Gulf States...all working together on collective goals, like destroying Syria and Iran.

The Saudis and the Gulf states even secretly offered to pay Washington to invade Syria so they wouldn't have to hire mercenaries to do the job for them. And how is it that all of your anti-Muslim heroes like Trump never condemn the Saudis and other billionaire sheiks and emirs who created modern so-called Islamism and send them off to wage jihad? How many of these Muslim wars are about the US claiming to fight the same groups they were in partnership with previously to fight common enemies? It's all a fraud! And the problem with the Arab World is not their religion/it's the nations who discovered oil and want control of that oil.
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dumbass line of the week "What a bunch of deflecting bullshit. North Korea has been the aggressor for decades now. Get fucking real"-COKE.
How is a starving nation a threat?
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dumbass line of the week "What a bunch of deflecting bullshit. North Korea has been the aggressor for decades now. Get fucking real"-COKE.
How is a starving nation a threat?
Throughout history many wars large and small have been fought over food, and property.
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