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Old April 17th, 2017, 09:21 AM   #11
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The funny thing is that the Founders would support Moore's opinion regarding same-sex marriage and Moore's letter regarding Air Force Col. Kristin Goodwin and her postition.
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Old April 17th, 2017, 09:24 AM   #12
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The funny thing is that the Founders would support Moore's opinion regarding same-sex marriage and Moore's letter regarding Air Force Col. Kristin Goodwin and her postition.
proof ?link? nope!
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Old April 17th, 2017, 09:29 AM   #13
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The funny thing is that the Founders would support Moore's opinion regarding same-sex marriage and Moore's letter regarding Air Force Col. Kristin Goodwin and her postition.
Without admitting that is true, how would it differ from the Founders supporting slavery, or limiting the right to vote to land owning males?
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Our founders were more concerned about protecting liberties and limiting government, not expanding it by increasing it's role in the personal lives of Americans or intervening in marriage when the government has no place there to begin with.
There were no marriage laws at the time of the revolution, and didn't implement any marriage laws until the 1840s or so - and these were usually all centering around property rights.

Wasn't until the 1900s that the government REALLY expanded it's role in policing the practice of marriage.

I mean it took many states up to the 70s just to unbar the law that married couples could not purchase contraceptives and to uplift bans on interracial marriage.
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Without admitting that is true, how would it differ from the Founders supporting slavery, or limiting the right to vote to land owning males?
The only mention of slavery in the Constitution is in Article I, Section 9, which bans the importation of slaves after 1808, and was codified into law at the earliest date possible with the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807. Voting is not in the Constitution.
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The "Lord" doesn't work at all.

To explain this discrepancy (why the "Lord" appears to answer some prayers but not others) believers have come up with the ultimate cop out:

"The Lord works in mysterious ways"

Why did God allow the tornado to kill a four month old baby but doesn't do anything about pedophile priests?

The Lord works in Mysterious Ways.

What possible reason could God have for giving a 3 year old cancer?

The Lord works in Mysterious Ways.

Babbling befits you.


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Old April 17th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #17
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The only mention of slavery in the Constitution is in Article I, Section 9, which bans the importation of slaves after 1808, and was codified into law at the earliest date possible with the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807. Voting is not in the Constitution.
Marriage is not mentioned in the constitution according to JURIST - There is No Constitutional Right to Marriage ... Of Any Kind
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Marriage is not mentioned in the constitution according to JURIST - There is No Constitutional Right to Marriage ... Of Any Kind
That pretty much sums up all of my arguments, except your link left out the Ninth Amendment.
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Babbling befits you.


"The Lord works in mysterious ways" is the ULTIMATE in babbling.

It answers nothing, it means nothing and it is used when no real answer can be given.
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The funny thing is that the Founders would support Moore's opinion regarding same-sex marriage and Moore's letter regarding Air Force Col. Kristin Goodwin and her postition.
In the 1700s you are probably correct.

I can reasonably assume that if some of them were alive today they'd be appalled by Moore's opinion.

The Founding Fathers were some of the most progressive and liberal thinkers of the 18th century.

The one thing they knew was that they didn't know everything. The very basis of Enlightenment philosophy and thought was that knowledge was acquired through reason. If our observations of the world around us changes then our knowledge of the world around us will change as the reasoning we use to acquire that knowledge incorporates our new observations.

Moore and his ilk (jimmyb being one of the biggest ilks I know) continue to use knowledge based on an 18th century understanding of the world.

Someone needs to tell them that that was 300 years ago and a lot has changed.
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