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Old April 17th, 2017, 11:42 AM   #21
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Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution



Have you ever heard someone say, "That's unconstitutional!" or "That's my constitutional right!" and wondered if they were right? You might be surprised how often people get it wrong. You might also be surprised how often people get it right. Your best defense against misconception is reading and knowing your Constitution.
A lot of people presume a lot of things about the Constitution. Some are true, some are not. This page will detail some of the things that people think are in the Constitution, but are not.
One critique of this page is that it is full of nit-picks. Slavery, for example, may not be "in" the original Constitution, but it is in the original Constitution — the word may not have been there, but the concept was. This is absolutely true. But by studying the words and coming to know them intimately, we gain a better understanding of our history and how some arguments about the Constitution endure.

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Marriage
In 2004, a lot of controversy began to swirl around the topic of marriage as homosexual marriage entered the news once again. In 1999, the Vermont Supreme Court ordered that the state must make accommodations for gay unions, bringing the issue into the public eye. Vermont created civil unions as a result. In 2004, the Massachusetts Supreme Court went a step further, and ruled that the state must accommodate not just an institution equal to marriage, as civil union was designed to be, but that gay marriage itself must be offered in the state. Subsequently, mayors in New York and California began to offer gay marriage in their towns and cities, citing civil rights concerns. Those opposed to gay marriage began to urge that an amendment to the Constitution be created to define marriage as being between a man and a woman only. Opponents of the amendment pointed to the failed Prohibition Amendment as a reason why such social issues should stay out of the Constitution. In the absence of any such amendment, however, marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution at any point. More information is available on the Marriage Topic Page.

God
It has often been seen on the Internet that to find God in the Constitution, all one has to do is read it, and see how often the Framers used the words "God," or "Creator," "Jesus," or "Lord." Except for one notable instance, however, none of these words ever appears in the Constitution, neither the original nor in any of the Amendments. The notable exception is found in the Signatory section, where the date is written thusly: "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven". The use of the word "Lord" here is not a religious reference, however. This was a common way of expressing the date, in both religious and secular contexts. This lack of any these words does not mean that the Framers were not spiritual people, any more than the use of the word Lord means that they were. What this lack of these words is expositive of is not a love for or disdain for religion, but the feeling that the new government should not involve itself in matters of religion. In fact, the original Constitution bars any religious test to hold any federal office in the United States. For more information, see the Religion Topic Page.

The Separation Of Church and State
The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.
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In the 1700s you are probably correct.

I can reasonably assume that if some of them were alive today they'd be appalled by Moore's opinion.

The Founding Fathers were some of the most progressive and liberal thinkers of the 18th century.

The one thing they knew was that they didn't know everything. The very basis of Enlightenment philosophy and thought was that knowledge was acquired through reason. If our observations of the world around us changes then our knowledge of the world around us will change as the reasoning we use to acquire that knowledge incorporates our new observations.

Moore and his ilk (jimmyb being one of the biggest ilks I know) continue to use knowledge based on an 18th century understanding of the world.

Someone needs to tell them that that was 300 years ago and a lot has changed.
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In the 1700s you are probably correct.
The 1700s or that era was not that important on the basis of the Constitution. That is a dead argument. The principles of the Constitution were based on hundreds of years in some instances and thousands of years in other instances.


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I can reasonably assume that if some of them were alive today they'd be appalled by Moore's opinion.
That is not a reasonable assumption. Just that Moore’s opinion, or the state of Alabama, regarding same-sex marriage was under any type of federal purview would have appalled every single Founder.


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The Founding Fathers were some of the most progressive and liberal thinkers of the 18th century.
The only think progressive was the self-government doctrine, which is the exact opposite of how you think the government should be operated. Self-government means that the government closest to the people makes the laws, which Judge Moore was following along with his adhering to the federalism of the Constitution.
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The one thing they knew was that they didn't know everything. The very basis of Enlightenment philosophy and thought was that knowledge was acquired through reason. If our observations of the world around us changes then our knowledge of the world around us will change as the reasoning we use to acquire that knowledge incorporates our new observations.

They did know everything regarding the Constitution. What they did not know was left up to the states to fill in. There was no Enlightenment influence regarding the Constitution other than the two most cited people: Locke and Montesquieu. Both believed government should be centered around God. The majority of the Constitution came from hundreds of years-old concepts that was intertwined into the colonial laws, the Articles of Confederation, and the state’s constitutions and laws post 1776.


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Moore and his ilk (jimmyb being one of the biggest ilks I know) continue to use knowledge based on an 18th century understanding of the world.

Someone needs to tell them that that was 300 years ago and a lot has changed.
Nothing has changed regarding the principles the Constitution is based upon. The Founders were well aware of the principles that you advocate, which was the cause of the decline and ultimate destruction of nations and empires. The purpose of the Constitution was to prevent these same mistakes that you advocate from destroying this country.
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The 1700s or that era was not that important on the basis of the Constitution. That is a dead argument. The principles of the Constitution were based on hundreds of years in some instances and thousands of years in other instances.




That is not a reasonable assumption. Just that Moore’s opinion, or the state of Alabama, regarding same-sex marriage was under any type of federal purview would have appalled every single Founder.




The only think progressive was the self-government doctrine, which is the exact opposite of how you think the government should be operated. Self-government means that the government closest to the people makes the laws, which Judge Moore was following along with his adhering to the federalism of the Constitution.



They did know everything regarding the Constitution. What they did not know was left up to the states to fill in. There was no Enlightenment influence regarding the Constitution other than the two most cited people: Locke and Montesquieu. Both believed government should be centered around God. The majority of the Constitution came from hundreds of years-old concepts that was intertwined into the colonial laws, the Articles of Confederation, and the state’s constitutions and laws post 1776.




Nothing has changed regarding the principles the Constitution is based upon. The Founders were well aware of the principles that you advocate, which was the cause of the decline and ultimate destruction of nations and empires. The purpose of the Constitution was to prevent these same mistakes that you advocate from destroying this country.
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The influence of God and the Bible are clearly manifested in the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson did not write that the First Amendment erected a wall of separation between church and state. Thomas Jefferson wrote a political letter that he had edited by two different people to ensure that a political statement was made regarding the next presidential election.
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The influence of God and the Bible are clearly manifested in the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson did not write that the First Amendment erected a wall of separation between church and state. Thomas Jefferson wrote a political letter that he had edited by two different people to ensure that a political statement was made regarding the next presidential election.


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Treason Act of 1351.
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Treason Act of 1351.
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Liber Judicialis.
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Treason Act of 1351.
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The funny thing is that the Founders would support Moore's opinion regarding same-sex marriage and Moore's letter regarding Air Force Col. Kristin Goodwin and her postition.
Who gives a fuck? Hell, the Founding Fathers would have opposed Col. Goodwin just for being a woman. But first we'd have to explain to them what the fuck an Air Force was.
Jesus, the irrelevant nonsense you spew!
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