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Old April 19th, 2017, 03:43 PM   #61
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You folks just refuse to acknowledge the fact that Islam is incompatible with our Countrie's laws as well as our culture! IMHO no Muslims should be admitted to America on a perminant basis unless it's to our advantage.
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Old April 19th, 2017, 03:48 PM   #62
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You folks just refuse to acknowledge the fact that Islam is incompatible with our Countrie's laws as well as our culture! IMHO no Muslims should be admitted to America on a perminant basis unless it's to our advantage.
Isn't that interesting.
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Old April 19th, 2017, 03:55 PM   #63
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Yet, I dont recall people defending the murdering prick either. But, as you said he was not a Muslim. As you can see, if someone even hints at it being a Muslim that was the killer, we get threads an threads of the regressive left defending the killer, then denouncing the regressive left exists.
Really? Someone here is defending this guy? Quote the post where he or she did that.
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Old April 19th, 2017, 03:59 PM   #64
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Yet, I dont recall people defending the murdering prick either. But, as you said he was not a Muslim. As you can see, if someone even hints at it being a Muslim that was the killer, we get threads an threads of the regressive left defending the killer, then denouncing the regressive left exists.
And who has ever defended a Muslim who committed a crime? Come on coke, show us a post.

I bet you can't. And want to know why?
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Old April 19th, 2017, 04:04 PM   #65
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And who has ever defended a Muslim who committed a crime? Come on coke, show us a post.

I bet you can't. And want to know why?
Hey now, I asked him first!
He gets to ignore, dodge and deflect from MY question before he can ignore, dodge and deflect from your question.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 04:19 PM   #66
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Rebel media talks about this shooter, and break down his (archived) social media accounts.


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Old April 19th, 2017, 05:16 PM   #67
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Yet, when an American chooses to follow Islam, he/she is automatically a terrorist? a murderer?
its like talking to a FUCKING BRICK WALL

nobody has ever suggested what you claim.

nobody thinks 'all muslims are terrorists'.

nobody has ever made this claim

most muslims are civilised well behaved people.

everyone agrees with this.

the fanatics are no more than a portion.

this is what has always been said.

so, clara, i am going to call you out on this post. its a common debating strategy you are using. its elegantly simple and its easy to do, and its very common when debating someone who makes a claim you dont understand. the strategy you are using is called "telling lies". sometimes its referred to as "making stuff up" or "bullshit". and while it is common and easy to do, it does mean you are a dishonest bullshit artist. now, if you are trying to be a dishonest bullshit artist you are most certainly succeeding, well done i guess, but if you are not, you are failing to do whatever you are trying to do.

i have a suggestion. how about, rather than making stuff up, you actually respond to what people have actually posted. you know, debate. not tell lies.
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Old April 19th, 2017, 05:17 PM   #68
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There are approx. 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. If you think the majorly of them are terrorists then you are far more stupid than even I could have ever suspected or even imagined.
its like talking to a FUCKING BRICK WALL

nobody has ever suggested what you claim.

nobody thinks 'all muslims are terrorists'.

nobody has ever made this claim

most muslims are civilised well behaved people.

everyone agrees with this.

the fanatics are no more than a portion.

this is what has always been said.

so, hollywood, i am going to call you out on this post. its a common debating strategy you are using. its elegantly simple and its easy to do, and its very common when debating someone who makes a claim you dont understand. the strategy you are using is called "telling lies". sometimes its referred to as "making stuff up" or "bullshit". and while it is common and easy to do, it does mean you are a dishonest bullshit artist. now, if you are trying to be a dishonest bullshit artist you are most certainly succeeding, well done i guess, but if you are not, you are failing to do whatever you are trying to do.

i have a suggestion. how about, rather than making stuff up, you actually respond to what people have actually posted. you know, debate. not tell lies.
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Old April 19th, 2017, 07:05 PM   #69
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its like talking to a FUCKING BRICK WALL

nobody has ever suggested what you claim.

nobody thinks 'all muslims are terrorists'.

nobody has ever made this claim

most muslims are civilised well behaved people.

everyone agrees with this.

the fanatics are no more than a portion.

this is what has always been said.

so, hollywood, i am going to call you out on this post. its a common debating strategy you are using. its elegantly simple and its easy to do, and its very common when debating someone who makes a claim you dont understand. the strategy you are using is called "telling lies". sometimes its referred to as "making stuff up" or "bullshit". and while it is common and easy to do, it does mean you are a dishonest bullshit artist. now, if you are trying to be a dishonest bullshit artist you are most certainly succeeding, well done i guess, but if you are not, you are failing to do whatever you are trying to do.

i have a suggestion. how about, rather than making stuff up, you actually respond to what people have actually posted. you know, debate. not tell lies.
Read what I ACTUALLY said, "IF you think the majority of them are terrorists then..."
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Old April 19th, 2017, 07:12 PM   #70
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Oh, NOW you have gone from from suggesting the terrorist are only devoted followers of Islam following the dictates of their religion to they are just simple uneducated farmers and herders completely unaware of what their Holy Book says. Make up your mind genius.
thats a fair point, worth exploring further.

of the 1.6 billion muslims in the world, about half are illiterate, so they cannot concievably have read the quran. but, for much of north africa, the middle east, central asia, south east asia - that makes up what we can call the islamic world - reading the quran isnt what guides their behaviour. the entire culture has been based on islam for centuries. islam has been their heritage, rather like christianity has been ours. so their culture, their laws, their habits and customs and attitudes are shaped by islam. hence, they wear veils, they accept domestic violence, they kill apostates/ gays/ blasphemers, they marry children, they punish women who get raped, they kill jews, they do suicide bombings and other terrorist attacks against christians/ alawites/ even different kinds of muslims. ok not ALL of these cultures do ALL of these things, not ALL individuals do ALL of these things, but across the islamic world all of these things happen, in varying degrees

and it is accepted. in some places domestic violence is just part of life, its so common its normal and few people question it. in some places child marriage is common, but in other places it doesnt happen. in some places jews live openly, in others jews are targeted by rockets on a daily basis. they are not identical societies, but they all share similarities because they all share an islamic foundation. but the population dont necessarily realise this, they know what is allowed and what isnt, they know how society works, but they often dont see the connection between their culture and islam.

not everyone likes the way things are. there are people all over the islamic world trying to make things better. there are reformers, there are protesters, everything from marches in the street to social media events to individuals making a public statement. it is clear that many of these cultural attitudes are not universally liked or supported.

often when people do challenge these cultural attitudes they do so by claiming they are 'unislamic' and say that things like equality and freedom of speech and peace are 'islamic'. but when they go to the source, and check the quran and hadith and the example of the prophet, they find the opposite. they learn that the violence, the oppression, the inequality, the ruthless silencing of dissent, these things are entirely islamic, the problems in their society are because they are following islamic doctrine. this has been very evident in iran; after the revolution when the regime took over with its ruthless islamic vision, people complained and said "this isnt true islam", but when they checked they discovered yes, it is. so they abandoned islam. at prayer time in iran, the mosques are mostly empty, and christianity is spreading.

a similar scenario plays out in the west, where obviously there is no islamic heritage. new converts, or migrants from islamic countries believe that everything islamic is good, and the problems in their homeland are because of cultural issues/ poverty/ corruption/ american imperialism/ any excuse at all to absolve islam from blame. but they push islam, claiming it is a religion of peace, claiming islam is always wonderful, and they dont have a clue what they are actually pushing.

read that last paragraph again and make it apply to "liberal" and it is equally accurate.

and when confronted with the truth, they squirm and weasel and make excuses and deflect and distract and lie do whatever it takes to continue to believe that "islam is good"; because the alternative - accepting that they have been conned their entire lives - is too painful.






of course, when people discover the truth about islam, there are some who do not reject it. some embrace it. some make it a mission to follow it. they are al qaeda, the taliban, islamic state, the wahhabis of saudi arabia, the fanatics in ache, boko haram, and the so called "lone wolves" who make their own jihad. christopher hitchins said, "left to their own devices, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. but for good people to do evil things, that takes religion".
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