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Old April 20th, 2017, 04:35 AM   #21
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What a load! This opinion piece is so full of holes I hardly know where to begin, but let's start with the biggest LIE--this one:
"For the Holy Father, inequality is the “root of social ills,” though he fails to explain precisely why a society of unequal wealth but a relatively high standard of living would somehow be less reflective of Gospel values than a society that shares equally in poverty."

Pope Franice HAS explained, deconstructed and reconstructed this premise too many times to count. Anyone who has heard him speak or read the text of his speeches knows this to be true. Most Christians KNOW this to be true. How do we know? Because it's what Christ preached in parable after parable--moral after moral--in the Beatitudes--in the Sermon on the Mount. Good grief. Where have you people been??
Jesus discouraged the accumulation of wealth, worried about its effects on those who had it, and took special pleasure in helping the poor, dedicating his efforts to them. He must have shaken his head at the large gaps between rich and poor throughout ancient Palestine in the first century.
This isn't socialism. This is Christian doctrine....which Pope Francis is trying to emulate.
AND then there's this gem: If, as Pope Francis suggests, property is possessed not by its owners, then, truly, “property is theft,” to quote 19th-century French anarchist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon’s famous phrase.
Christians have been taught that everything we have is a gift from God. We really don’t own anything. We didn’t come into this world with anything and we are not going to take anything out of this world. All that we have is a gift. Even our children are entrusted (for a short time) to us by God's grace. Our world, environment and planet are entrusted to us. We've been told to be good stewards---BY CHRIST.
AND finally this stupidity: And, as has become the Pope’s regrettable practice, he created strawman arguments that he then attacked, such as the “mentality of profit at any price, with no concern for social exclusion or the destruction of nature,” and an “idolatrous system which excludes, debases and kills.”

Strawman argument?? Unless the author truly embraces Christ as a straw man, then this argument is laughable. Christ attacked the tax collectors--the wealthy, comparing them to robbers and evil-doers. He abhored those who showed no pity for the poor and the outcast.

So......everything the Pope has expressed comes directly from Christ's words and deeds. There's nothing socialistic or political about it. It's simply Christian doctrine.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 05:54 AM   #22
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Its like saying prove a banana is a banana.

He's a Socialist.
There are people all over the internet who are not all truly interesting in the truth. I suspect your antagonist is one of those, none the less this is a direct quote from Pope Francis;

I do not hesitate to state . . . that equitable economic and social progress can only be attained by joining scientific and technical abilities with an unfailing commitment to solidarity accompanied by a generous and disinterested spirit of gratuitousness at every level. A contribution to this equitable development will also be made both by international activity aimed at the integral human development of all the world’s peoples and by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society.

Yes, Pope Francis is a Socialist

Pope is an anticapitalism socialist ? thank God - MarketWatch

There are hundreds more citations out there. The Pope is also a Jesuit who is deeply grounded in the "Social Justice" movement which is of course deeply Socialist. Interestingly Tim Kaine also has deep ties to the Social Justice movement, he spent a lot of time in South America working with the Jesuits on this very subject.

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Old April 20th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #23
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What a load! This opinion piece is so full of holes I hardly know where to begin, but let's start with the biggest LIE--this one:
"For the Holy Father, inequality is the “root of social ills,” though he fails to explain precisely why a society of unequal wealth but a relatively high standard of living would somehow be less reflective of Gospel values than a society that shares equally in poverty."

Pope Franice HAS explained, deconstructed and reconstructed this premise too many times to count. Anyone who has heard him speak or read the text of his speeches knows this to be true. Most Christians KNOW this to be true. How do we know? Because it's what Christ preached in parable after parable--moral after moral--in the Beatitudes--in the Sermon on the Mount. Good grief. Where have you people been??
Jesus discouraged the accumulation of wealth, worried about its effects on those who had it, and took special pleasure in helping the poor, dedicating his efforts to them. He must have shaken his head at the large gaps between rich and poor throughout ancient Palestine in the first century.
This isn't socialism. This is Christian doctrine....which Pope Francis is trying to emulate.
AND then there's this gem: If, as Pope Francis suggests, property is possessed not by its owners, then, truly, “property is theft,” to quote 19th-century French anarchist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon’s famous phrase.
Christians have been taught that everything we have is a gift from God. We really don’t own anything. We didn’t come into this world with anything and we are not going to take anything out of this world. All that we have is a gift. Even our children are entrusted (for a short time) to us by God's grace. Our world, environment and planet are entrusted to us. We've been told to be good stewards---BY CHRIST.
AND finally this stupidity: And, as has become the Pope’s regrettable practice, he created strawman arguments that he then attacked, such as the “mentality of profit at any price, with no concern for social exclusion or the destruction of nature,” and an “idolatrous system which excludes, debases and kills.”

Strawman argument?? Unless the author truly embraces Christ as a straw man, then this argument is laughable. Christ attacked the tax collectors--the wealthy, comparing them to robbers and evil-doers. He abhored those who showed no pity for the poor and the outcast.

So......everything the Pope has expressed comes directly from Christ's words and deeds. There's nothing socialistic or political about it. It's simply Christian doctrine.
Not true at all, so he attacked tax collectors, really so how do we pay for welfare again. He never attacked a wealthy person, name one.
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Not true at all, so he attacked tax collectors, really so how do we pay for welfare again. He never attacked a wealthy person, name one.
Please point out an example of Jesus attacking a tax collector.
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Please point out an example of Jesus attacking a tax collector.
Bad punctuation , my point was he didn't
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Not true at all, so he attacked tax collectors, really so how do we pay for welfare again. He never attacked a wealthy person, name one.
Physicaly attacked?? Or criticized with words or verbally?

Camels, "eyes of needles" ring a bell anywhere with you?

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Bad punctuation , my point was he didn't
So what did you mean to say, Donald?
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Bad punctuation , my point was he didn't
Punctuation had nothing to do with it. You used entirely the wrong word.
He attacked physically money changers at the Temple, tax collectors had nothing to do with it.
Your point was that there are people that Jesus did NOT attack?
WTF???
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Physicaly attacked?? Or criticized with words or verbally?

Camels, "eyes of needles" ring a bell anywhere with you?

You want the verse?
Nope know it well, anything someone replaces Jesus with is the same, money, possessions, with you it's idiotic posts on DTT, having money is not wrong, even large amounts, as long as God is first in your life dumbass.
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Punctuation had nothing to do with it. You used entirely the wrong word.
He attacked physically money changers at the Temple, tax collectors had nothing to do with it.
Your point was that there are people that Jesus did NOT attack?
WTF???
The part about tax collectors was a question Dumbass Matthew was a tax collector and yes he drove out the money changers.
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