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Old April 28th, 2017, 07:06 AM   #21
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well if building a wall on us land and
making mexico pay for it is not delusional I don't know what is
Building the Wall seems very rational to me. Repeatedly deporting the same people is useless without a means of keeping them out. Not allowing them to enter the first time, is the rational thing to do.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 09:44 AM   #22
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Clara graduated college but never revealed which college. Her home state is Arizona and vacations in Colorado. I hope she is not concealing her alma mater.


Undergrad work: Illinois Wesleyan University
Grad work: University of Wisconsin

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Old April 28th, 2017, 09:55 AM   #23
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You received your training from where, and you've sat down with him one on one?


Have I offended you in some way?? You seem very hostile for someone who just arrived at DTT.

I have not sat down with DJ Trump, nor would I want to. From what I have read, he can be a very charming man, but then so was Charles Manson.
It doesn't take a trained psychologist or physician to recognize certain personality
traits: oversized ego, liar, manipulator, lack of empathy, lack or remorse, impulsive, irresponsible, disregard for social norms......adultery, fraud....etc.

Do you think of these traits as "normal"?? AND..BTW, these traits are the traits of a sociopath.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 10:06 AM   #24
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Have I offended you in some way?? You seem very hostile for someone who just arrived at DTT.

I have not sat down with DJ Trump, nor would I want to. From what I have read, he can be a very charming man, but then so was Charles Manson.
It doesn't take a trained psychologist or physician to recognize certain personality
traits: oversized ego, liar, manipulator, lack of empathy, lack or remorse, impulsive, irresponsible, disregard for social norms......adultery, fraud....etc.

Do you think of these traits as "normal"?? AND..BTW, these traits are the traits of a sociopath.

The world needs psychopaths and there is no way our civilization would have advanced or continue spinning w/o them. Furthermore it should almost be a prerequisite for POTUS. The lizard queen was/is surely one as am I also assuming her husband. O-Bomber, for sure. The great shrub was just a retarded puppet but the Sith Lord Cheney is. Bush one, yes. RR, not sure. Carter, I don't think so.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #25
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He is clear or is he not finish the job in White house or first in 2020 against Sanders I Believe can beaten Trump ?

Is Michelle Obama the right kind or is Sanders or if Trump lose already in Supreme Court to Clinton ?

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Old April 28th, 2017, 12:22 PM   #26
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trump is not mentally ill.

its very hard to objectively define mental illness. it is however possible to say when someone is mentally well. the language typically used today is that someone is well if they have the capacity to maintain meaningful social and occupational function. that is, they are able to hold relationships together, form and keep friends, and able to do stuff, maybe work, study, parent, housework, do something. a century ago freud expressed the same idea in that a person is well if they are able to love and to work. every form of mental illness leads its sufferers to lose their social and occupational function.

trump is therefore not mentally ill. he is clearly able to maintain social contacts and clearly able to maintain occupational function.

psychiatrists should know this. those who dont are not making a case based on their professional background, they are making a case based on their emotional need. this is just another bunch of sore losers who are pissed that trump won and are trying to justify being bitter and vindictive. that they are psychiatrist does not make it more believable, it just makes it embarrassing.
That's a very poor definition of sane.

Trump is observably a narcissist.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 12:23 PM   #27
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right. so a bunch of professors say we should overturn the result of a free and fair election in one of the worlds most stable democracies, based on their assessment from watching someone on tv, who they have never met.

THAT is delusional. THAT is narcissism. THAT is grandiose.
Perhaps so, but that doesn't remedy Trump's malady.
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trump is not a narcissist. narcissism is NOT grandiosity. narcissism is the inability to see people as anything other than a reflection of themselves. a narcissist seen himself everywhere he looks, and doesnt see anything else. he sees his wife, his children, his friends, his workmates, and only sees them in terms of how they relate to him. ask a narcissist what his work mates do when they get home and he will stare at you blankly - he has never thought of what other people do when he isnt around, he is too focussed on himself. once they go home, they might as well cease to exist as far as the narcissist is concerned.

paranoia comes about when a narcissist starts to wonder "maybe they do have a life independent of me after all...." and the cracks in his narcissistic armour appear. most commonly this becomes evident in a narcissistic man who becomes paranoid about his partner cheating on him; she is HIS, and if he ever starts to think maybe she is NOT HIS, just that thought is going to make him angry and accuse her.

trump is an egotist. he is grandiose, obsessed with being the biggest, the best, the greatest. what looks like paranoia is just defending his ego (ego in the lay term, his massive sense of self worth -and entitlement-, not ego in a psychoanalytical sense). but he knows how other people think, he can understand another persons point of view, there is no way he could have tapped into the american peoples psyche and win an election without doing that. and that rules out narcissism.

and yes, he certainly isnt stable.
DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder:

• Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance

•Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

•Exaggerating your achievements and talents

•Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

•Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people

•Requiring constant admiration

•Having a sense of entitlement

•Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations

•Taking advantage of others to get what you want

•Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

•Being envious of others and believing others envy you

•Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

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Building the Wall seems very rational to me. Repeatedly deporting the same people is useless without a means of keeping them out. Not allowing them to enter the first time, is the rational thing to do.
OK, where does the wall go along the Texas/Mexico border?

Does Mexico give up land and we build it on the Mexican shore of the Rio Grande?

Do we give up land and build it on our bank of the Rio Grande?

Or do we, somehow, build it in the middle of the river, which is the legal boundary?
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its not delusional, its politics. paying off the debt is delusional too. so is establishing peace in the middle east, so is being carbon neutral, so is ending abortions. most promises by politicians arent intended to be taken as actual promises, they are position statements, its a way of saying to the people "i am this kind of politician".

think about it: do you actually believe it when a politician makes a promise? why is trumps wall any different?
Yes I do, but most presidents make very few promises.
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