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Old April 30th, 2017, 08:47 PM   #11
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nice point.

we can, and do, all the time, in australia. political satire and mockery is a grand tradition.

and its not new to trump. look at what obama faced. or bush, reagan, etc.
I'm not familiar with Australia, but I do know that in the UK the press is absolutely ruthless in their interrogations of all political figures. The average US politician would cry like a baby if subjected to the same thing, and most likely so would the Canadian ones. Or more likely just pull a Trump and not let themselves be interviewed.
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Agree... we are not in a healthy state right now. IMO, a lot of that is because the losing party will not accept the results of our last election. From towns to counties to states the people voted and they elected Trump and those that supported him. I have never seen a more concentrated effort to make our President look bad. Also, anyone who thinks many nations are not looking at this and wondering just what they can do to further diminish our standing in the world...do not live in the real world of today.
internal domestic politics in america isnt particularly closely connected to foreign policy. consider; you have a strong tradition of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, democracy, free press, etc. and one of your strongest and longest standing foreign allies is saudi arabia.

the only change foreign powers are going to consider is that this administration is somewhat unpredictable. but it isnt likely to undo previous decades of policy, and it isnt going to last decades either. from the perspective of another nation, trump is a sideshow, america overall is the main act.
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I'm not familiar with Australia, but I do know that in the UK the press is absolutely ruthless in their interrogations of all political figures. The average US politician would cry like a baby if subjected to the same thing, and most likely so would the Canadian ones. Or more likely just pull a Trump and not let themselves be interviewed.
i think australia is probably comparable to the UK, from what i have seen. i dont know the situation in canada, the us seems to be taken over with identity politics and wierd issues like abortion. aussie politicians tend to be grilled pretty unforgivingly, when they twist and obfuscate and fail to answer a question the interviewers often just point that out, and ask the question again.
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Agree... we are not in a healthy state right now. IMO, a lot of that is because the losing party will not accept the results of our last election. From towns to counties to states the people voted and they elected Trump and those that supported him. I have never seen a more concentrated effort to make our President look bad. Also, anyone who thinks many nations are not looking at this and wondering just what they can do to further diminish our standing in the world...do not live in the real world of today.
Unfortunately, I have. Besides Trump, i've seen it done to Obama, Bush jr., Clinton, Bush Sr., and Regan. Carter's presidency ended when I was eight, so I dunno... But I reckon him and Ford as well. Nixon, so Ive read everyone was on the same page. A rarity.
The largest, sustained protests occurred during LBJ's and Nixon's terms. Nothing we see today holds a candle to those demonstrations. And you goodpen, folks like you are part of the problem with your apparent blindness to eight freaking years of powerful anti-Obama sentiment. I had never seen anything like that. The losing party did not accept the results of the 2008 and 2012 elections.

GW Bush had an easier time than Obama and GW's Iraq invasion to spread the seeds of democracy was one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in our nation's history.

As for looking bad, Trump manages that on his own, and his supporters won't hold him to account. And many nations in the world are more than a little nervous over a loose cannon like Trump being the leader of a nuclear-armed military, the most powerful the world has ever seen.

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The largest, sustained protests occurred during LBJ's and Nixon's terms. Nothing we see today holds a candle to those demonstrations. And you goodpen, folks like you are part of the problem with your apparent blindness to eight freaking years of powerful anti-Obama sentiment. I had never seen anything like that. The losing party did not accept the results of the 2008 and 2012 elections.

GW Bush had an easier time than Obama and GW's Iraq invasion to spread the seeds of democracy was one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in our nation's history.

As for looking bad, Trump manages that on his own, and his supporters won't hold him to account. And many nations in the world are more than a little nervous over a loose cannon like Trump being the leader of a nuclear-armed military, the most powerful the world has ever seen.
i think the nuke risk is overplayed, he is always surrounded by advisers and military people, he isnt going to make a decision about nukes by himself. the stronger risk is conventional weapons, because he and his generals will be entirely willing to actually deploy them, as syria discovered. north korea might discover it next. thats a bigger risk, because it might actually happen.
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i think australia is probably comparable to the UK, from what i have seen. i dont know the situation in canada, the us seems to be taken over with identity politics and wierd issues like abortion. aussie politicians tend to be grilled pretty unforgivingly, when they twist and obfuscate and fail to answer a question the interviewers often just point that out, and ask the question again.
Do they grill both sides equally brutally, or do they play favorites, like ours do?
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Do they grill both sides equally brutally, or do they play favorites, like ours do?
they are pretty good. they grill both sides, sometimes the bias of a jounalist does break through, and then that journalist is caned by all the other journalists for being biased.

there are a few who are openly biased and proudly biased, and make it a point to be biased. they have their place. they tend to not be the very prominent and are accepted as a necessary fringe element.
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on seeing all the internal attacks against our recently elected President? Come on and be honest, as to if it a good thing or bad thing.....for our nation.
It restores some faith in America that so many are standing up to this narcissistic clown.
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Don't know. I reckon the world doesn't really care.

As to criticizing the president, I think it is a good thing when all parties apply it equally, and plus upon their own.

It becomes a bad thing though when it is applied unequally, as it has been for the last several decades, by a bunch of fanboys preaching to the already converted and damning the apostates with mockery and hell fire.

The US isn't in a healthy state right now.
With the US swaggering about and bullying everybody, they are bound to, you know.
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Do they grill both sides equally brutally, or do they play favorites, like ours do?
They are hysterically anti-Labour, but they treat all politicians under the 'Why are you lying to me, you bastard?' rule.
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