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Old May 17th, 2017, 06:46 AM   #11
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They seem hellbent on more. Right here in the USA, as the progressive rabble is getting out of control.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #12
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Stalin.

Mao.

Pol Pot.

What passed for "communism" killed tens of millions.
The point iolo is making is that those were not communists in the true theoretical meaning of the term, they were despotic dictators. The same argument I use when I deny that Venezuela is representative of a socialist state.

I don't think it is simply a semantic argument. When iolo says communist he means something very different than when Sabcat says it.

FTR, I personally don't think a pure communist state or a pure socialist state would work. Just as I know a pure capitalist state or a pure anarchy wouldn't work.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 01:06 PM   #13
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The point iolo is making is that those were not communists in the true theoretical meaning of the term, they were despotic dictators. The same argument I use when I deny that Venezuela is representative of a socialist state.

I don't think it is simply a semantic argument. When iolo says communist he means something very different than when Sabcat says it.

FTR, I personally don't think a pure communist state or a pure socialist state would work. Just as I know a pure capitalist state or a pure anarchy wouldn't work.
That's why I put communism in quotes.

It's way past time to put the capitalism vs. socialism vs. communism vs any and everything else debates to bed. It's very clear none of them work as is. It's very clear that government that best serves the people will be a creative mixture of many governing philosophies.
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Old May 17th, 2017, 02:12 PM   #14
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That's why I put communism in quotes.

It's way past time to put the capitalism vs. socialism vs. communism vs any and everything else debates to bed. It's very clear none of them work as is. It's very clear that government that best serves the people will be a creative mixture of many governing philosophies.
These masked terrorists are self proclaimed communists, flying communist flags from the failed states who are being referenced.

So is it jumping to conclutions to associate someone who enters the discussion in defence of these actors w/ the actors and their actions?

I don't think so.

This is not a discussion of actual events, real communist mobs and the calling everyday people Nazis in an attempt to justify their behavior.
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Old May 18th, 2017, 05:06 AM   #15
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Stalin.

Mao.

Pol Pot.

What passed for "communism" killed tens of millions.
Think what passes for Christianity does in that line! State capitalism kills almost as many as the monopoly kind, obviously, so get rid of capitalism and establish workers' democracy.
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Think what passes for Christianity does in that line! State capitalism kills almost as many as the monopoly kind, obviously, so get rid of capitalism and establish workers' democracy.
All systems of government are detrimentally affected by human fear, greed, and sloth.

The central challenge isn't choosing and installing the right type of government. The challenge is and always has been what to do about human nature.
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All systems of government are detrimentally affected by human fear, greed, and sloth.

The central challenge isn't choosing and installing the right type of government. The challenge is and always has been what to do about human nature.
The central challenge is to get shot of class-government, so that we can develop a workable 'human nature'. Lacking instincts, there is no such thing except in heads, I think, but people like the concept.
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Think what passes for Christianity does in that line! State capitalism kills almost as many as the monopoly kind, obviously, so get rid of capitalism and establish workers' democracy.
False equivalency son, you'll have to better than this.
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The central challenge is to get shot of class-government, so that we can develop a workable 'human nature'. Lacking instincts, there is no such thing except in heads, I think, but people like the concept.
who is this "we" you are refering to?

You are not an American, right?
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who is this "we" you are refering to?

You are not an American, right?
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