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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:19 AM   #1
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Obstructing Justice?

A member of President Trumpís legal team said Sunday that Trump is not under investigation by the special counsel, an assessment at odds with a Washington Post report last week and seemingly with a tweet by Trump himself on Friday.

ďLet me be very clear here, as it has been since the beginning, the president is not and has not been under investigation for obstruction,Ē lawyer Jay Sekulow said on NBC's ďMeet the Press,Ē part of a blitz of bookings on the Sunday public affairs shows.

The Post reported last week that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who was appointed to oversee the investigation into Russiaís role in the 2016 election, is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether Trump attempted to obstruct justice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.74ac73f63560

Trump Attorney: The President Is Not Under Investigation - NBC News

Top Trump lawyer argues president ?is not under investigation? - CBS News

https://twitter.com/tobbyolumba2/sta...52997068226560

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/876437438649950208

https://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/vide...ation-48113745


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e26283bf2867

Republicans say that he was not under investigation after the double-down tweet, but Democrats say that Trump obstructed justice.

Did the President impede the justice system? Where will the Russia investigation go right now?


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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:27 AM   #2
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Trump’s most zealous defenders are sure he’s innocent. Yet there exists sufficient evidence to investigate his conduct. Trump’s most zealous foes are sure he’s guilty. Yet there exists insufficient evidence to impeach, much less to prosecute. As the investigation proceeds, the danger is acute. Ask any honest lawyer how much he or she relishes defending a client who has a casual relationship with the truth and who won’t stop talking. Trump’s lack of discipline and his impulsive use of his considerable powers represent ticking time bombs. Only Trump can defuse himself.

Read more at: Donald Trump & Obstruction of Justice -- Robert Mueller?s Investigation Carries Risk for the President | National Review

AND Trump won't defuse himself. It's not in his wheelhouse.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:31 AM   #3
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Trumpís most zealous defenders are sure heís innocent. Yet there exists sufficient evidence to investigate his conduct. Trumpís most zealous foes are sure heís guilty. Yet there exists insufficient evidence to impeach, much less to prosecute. As the investigation proceeds, the danger is acute. Ask any honest lawyer how much he or she relishes defending a client who has a casual relationship with the truth and who wonít stop talking. Trumpís lack of discipline and his impulsive use of his considerable powers represent ticking time bombs. Only Trump can defuse himself.

Read more at: Donald Trump & Obstruction of Justice -- Robert Mueller?s Investigation Carries Risk for the President | National Review

AND Trump won't defuse himself. It's not in his wheelhouse.
So do you think Trump will be jeopardized?

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So do you think Trump will be jeopardized?

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I think Trump is his own worst enemy. AND yes. I think Trump is in a lot of hot water.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 08:11 AM   #5
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Did the President impede the justice system?
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Where will the Russia investigation go right now?
Nowhere...It shot it's wad....That is why the Trumpaphobes are going into the "obstruction of justice" gambit
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Old June 18th, 2017, 08:13 AM   #6
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Lawyers are like butchers, it's all about how thin they can slice the baloney.
Usually everything you hear is technically true, it just doesn't mean what you think it means.

But this isn't likely to result in a trial, because it would be difficult to charge a sitting president, and it won't result in impeachment, because the GOP controls the House.

What it will do is reduce the already dwindling supply of political capital that Trump has left.
Which is great for the nation.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 10:50 AM   #7
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It is long-standing policy of the DoJ, which ever party is in charge, that a sitting President cannot be indicted.

Trump rightly responded to the WaPo's headline, now it may be that the WaPo has again gone with fake news, which they already have done several times the past few months. In any event, obstruction of justice involves obstructing the judicial process, not an investigation.
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Nixon was impeached on an obstruction of justice charge. The third article of impeachment served against Bill Clinton was for obstruction of justice because he lied about sex. If Coates and Rogers testify to Mueller's people that Trump tried to get them to lean on Comey to end the Russia investigation backing up Comey's charge against Trump, then it is clearly obstruction of justice and rises to the level of a high crime and misdemeanor.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 12:06 PM   #9
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Nixon interfered with the judicial process, refusing a court order.

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On July 24, 1974, the Supreme Court rejected Nixon’s claim of executive privilege and ordered him to turn over the remaining tapes. When he refused to do so, the House of Representatives passed the first article of impeachment against Nixon for obstruction of justice.
Nixon charged with first of three articles of impeachment - Jul 27, 1974 - HISTORY.com

As is clear, obstruction of justice involves the judicial power, not an investigation.
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Nixon and Trump are not comparable. Nixon was never impeached or Ford could not have pardoned him.
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