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Old July 11th, 2017, 03:12 PM   #1
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Did Russia Have Dirt on Clinton? Trump Jr. says 'I Love It'

The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

If the future president’s eldest son was surprised or disturbed by the provenance of the promised material — or the notion that it was part of a continuing effort by the Russian government to aid his father’s campaign — he gave no indication.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would most likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.

On June 9, the Russian lawyer was sitting in the younger Mr. Trump’s office on the 25th floor of Trump Tower, just one level below the office of the future president.

Over the last several days, The New York Times has disclosed the existence of the meeting, whom it involved and what it was about. The story has unfolded as The Times has been able to confirm details of the meetings.

But the email exchanges, which were reviewed by The Times, offer a detailed unspooling of how the meeting with the Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, came about — and just how eager Donald Trump Jr. was to accept what he was explicitly told was the Russian government’s help.

The Justice Department, as well as the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, is examining whether any of President Trump’s associates colluded with the Russian government to disrupt last year’s election. American intelligence agencies have determined that the Russian government tried to sway the election in favor of Mr. Trump.

The precise nature of the promised damaging information about Mrs. Clinton is unclear, and there is no evidence to suggest that it was related to Russian-government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. But in recent days, accounts by some of the central organizers of the meeting, including Donald Trump Jr., have evolved or have been contradicted by the written email records.

After being told that The Times was about to publish the content of the emails, instead of responding to a request for comment, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out images of them himself on Tuesday.

“To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails” about the June 9 meeting, he wrote. “I first wanted to just have a phone call but when that didn’t work out, they said the woman would be in New York and asked if I would meet.”

Was this e-mail illegal to the American Elections?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/u...T.nav=top-news
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Probably not illegal. It's not illegal to obtain information from Russia, is it?

I *wish* it were illegal - but I don't see how it could be. Why would it be any more illegal than dirt dug up from anywhere else?
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Old July 11th, 2017, 03:16 PM   #3
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They have to "dig up" dirt on Clinton, because she keeps her mouth shut.

Trump just brags about his dirt, "I'm a pussy-grabbing, tax-evading, bankruptcy-cheating, serial marriage vower, daughter coveting, money worshipping asswipe."

There's nothing to dig up.
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Probably not illegal. It's not illegal to obtain information from Russia, is it?

I *wish* it were illegal - but I don't see how it could be. Why would it be any more illegal than dirt dug up from anywhere else?
it would only be illegal if the trump team actively sought such information from the russians (soliciting), or if they helped in the dirt digging (collusion). but there is no evidence they did. so far, at least.

to me, it all looks like politics as usual.
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Probably not illegal. It's not illegal to obtain information from Russia, is it?

I *wish* it were illegal - but I don't see how it could be. Why would it be any more illegal than dirt dug up from anywhere else?


Not so fast, Tris. Here's what POlitico says: It’s far from clear whether Trump Jr. will end up facing any charges related to his meeting, but several lawyers said there is plenty of fodder for investigators to look at.

“This is treason,” Richard Painter, a former George W. Bush White House ethics lawyer, wrote Sunday night on Twitter. “He must have known that the only way Russia would get such information was by spying.”

Painter added in another message: “In the Bush administration we could have had him in custody for questioning by now.”

OOOOHHHH....scary Patriot Act??
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it would only be illegal if the trump team actively sought such information from the russians (soliciting), or if they helped in the dirt digging (collusion). but there is no evidence they did. so far, at least.

to me, it all looks like politics as usual.
Actively seeking dirt happens in every campaign. What are you talking about?
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Lying repeatedly to the federal government during confirmations and security clearance applications is perjury. Meeting with a foreign country who is cyber attacking your country for the purposes of benefitting from said cyber attacking is treason in my book.
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Lying repeatedly to the federal government during confirmations and security clearance applications is perjury. Meeting with a foreign country who is cyber attacking your country for the purposes of benefitting from said cyber attacking is treason in my book.
You are naive. All counties are engaged in cyber warfare. We are. Are you upset about the dossier about Trump and Russian prostitutes? Is someone guilty of treason over that?
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Russia government doing nothing in 16 election for sure.
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