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Old July 13th, 2017, 07:03 PM   #11
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How do you vision free health care for all would be paid for and how it would work? Would our doctors etc be put on a government mandated "fee" schedule? would specialists be paid the same as general practitioners? Would government take over all drug manufacturing and how would any "new" items be developed? How many more government employees or new agencies would be created, to take care of all the health care items?
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How do you vision free health care for all would be paid for and how it would work? Would our doctors etc be put on a government mandated "fee" schedule? would specialists be paid the same as general practitioners? Would government take over all drug manufacturing and how would any "new" items be developed? How many more government employees or new agencies would be created, to take care of all the health care items?

If we donít reverse our federal governmentís tax-payers vs tax-getters redistribution policies, we will surely suffer the same fate as Venezuela,Chile, the UK, and other socialist countries which, instead of protecting the peopleís inalienable right to succeed or fail at their own hand, have decided to use government force to steal the product of one personís labor which is then transferred to another group to be used for their personal economic needs, which is an immoral use of government force.


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Old July 13th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #13
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australia has a system of universal health care that works pretty well. its not perfect, but its good, and every side of politics supports it.

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australia asks for a levy which is 2% of income, up to about $100,000, then its 3%. every taxpayer contributes. its essentially compulsory insurance paid by every tax payer.

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whenever you recieve a medical service, from seeing a doctor, having a blood test, having a specialist give an opinion, a portion of the service, about 80% is paid for you out of the pool of money collected by the levy described above. the rest, usually about 20% is called "the gap" and the patient has to pay it.

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each service has a predetermined ammount paid by this universal cover, the "scheduled fee". but this is only a recommendation, the actual provider is free to charge whatever they like. some dont charge a gap at all, and deliver free care at the point of service, and accept that they earn less. some charge a gap to some patients and not others, some charge very high fees to everyone. it varies, each doctor is free to practice however they like and any patient is free to shop around for whatever kind of practice they like.

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no. that would be silly. providers buy medication and other technology as per usual.

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it does require a bureaucracy, but not a massive one, its mostly electronic. there dont need to be any new items.

and anyone is also free to take up private insurance on top of the universal cover. for those who do it means there is an additional pool of money available for delivery of care.

it isnt perfect, but its way better than not having it.
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We have more people living off of welfare in the states than you guys have in your entire country.
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We have more people living off of welfare in the states than you guys have in your entire country.
that is no excuse. there is no reason you couldnt have some form of universal health care, everyone else does it. and the polls seem to show people want it. the only people who dont are the republicans in congress.
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australia has a system of universal health care that works pretty well. its not perfect, but its good, and every side of politics supports it.

no. that would be silly. providers buy medication and other technology as per usual.

it isnt perfect, but its way better than not having it.
Perhaps universal Healthcare the act in US too.
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australia has a system of universal health care that works pretty well. its not perfect, but its good, and every side of politics supports it.


australia asks for a levy which is 2% of income, up to about $100,000, then its 3%. every taxpayer contributes. its essentially compulsory insurance paid by every tax payer.

So, you guys don't believe in charitable giving to help the poor and prefer universal enslavement under which the property which one has in their labor may be taken by government and redistributed to another for their personal economic needs.

Unlike your socialist system, the United States government was created with a fundamental purpose . . . that purpose was eloquently stated as follows:


"Under a just and equal Government, every individual is entitled to protection in the enjoyment of the whole product of his labor, except such portion of it as is necessary to enable Government to protect the rest; this is given only in consideration of the protection offered. In every bounty, exclusive right, or monopoly, Government violates the stipulation on her part; for, by such a regulation, the product of one man's labor is transferred to the use and enjoyment of another. The exercise of such a right on the part of Government can be justified on no other principle, than that the whole product of the labor or every individual is the real property of Government, and may be distributed among the several parts of the community by government discretion; such a supposition would directly involve the idea, that every individual in the community is merely a slave and bondsman to Government, who, although he may labor, is not to expect protection in the product of his labor. An authority given to any Government to exercise such a principle, would lead to a complete system of tyranny." ___ See Representative Giles, speaking before Congress February 3rd, 1792

The bottom line is, your system is based upon robbery, theft and tyranny!


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that is no excuse. there is no reason you couldnt have some form of universal health care, everyone else does it. and the polls seem to show people want it. the only people who dont are the republicans in congress.
Most people don't want endless wars, the police state and the drug war either.

I am against rewarding counter productive behavior but I could get over it if we stopped being the world police and shipping off billions of dollars to other nations. Also the people who are crying the most for this also think that we should just let whoever into the nation. You cannot have a lax migration policy and a welfare state. You have to pick one over the other.


My point in pointing out the numbers was that those people living off of the dole already have healthcare, we would just being adding onto an already inflated number. I am not specifically against healthcare I am against adding just another thing onto the tab of the taxpayer. If we want it then we should find the money in th existing budget. If I want a boat I have to cut out Friday night "at the movies" just like the rest of the people who actually pay their own way. It is ridicules that the state just operates like a trophy wife w/ a new black card.
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that is no excuse. there is no reason you couldnt have some form of universal health care, everyone else does it. and the polls seem to show people want it. the only people who dont are the republicans in congress.
Oh it could be done. I support medicare for all which from your description sounds similar to what you have. In order for us to have medicaid for all though it would require the United States to no longer provide for the defense of the free world.
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Most people don't want endless wars, the police state and the drug war either.

I am against rewarding counter productive behavior but I could get over it if we stopped being the world police and shipping off billions of dollars to other nations. Also the people who are crying the most for this also think that we should just let whoever into the nation. You cannot have a lax migration policy and a welfare state. You have to pick one over the other.


My point in pointing out the numbers was that those people living off of the dole already have healthcare, we would just being adding onto an already inflated number. I am not specifically against healthcare I am against adding just another thing onto the tab of the taxpayer. If we want it then we should find the money in th existing budget. If I want a boat I have to cut out Friday night "at the movies" just like the rest of the people who actually pay their own way. It is ridicules that the state just operates like a trophy wife w/ a new black card.
Like spending almost $600 Billion dollars on an airplane that can't carry our most advanced bombs ??
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