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Old July 14th, 2017, 12:39 PM   #21
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Like spending almost $600 Billion dollars on an airplane that can't carry our most advanced bombs ??
I love that plane.

The one that cannot even fly competitively and is obsolete before it even goes into full production.

Or how about aircraft carriers? Those are money well,spent.
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I love that plane.

Or how about aircraft carriers? Those are money well,spent.
I will six aircraft Carriers in big reserve forces.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 02:18 AM   #23
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My big issue with Obamacare is being forced to buy a product.

Here is how I would do this....

1.) Any medical procedure under a certain limit is paid for by the individual, perhaps let's say $15,000 USD. The person can buy insurance or self fund their own health plan. If the person is honestly destitute because of circumstances beyond their control or other issues, there can be a subsidy to take care of them also on a case by case basis. Insurance to cover $15,000 of coverage should be very cheap and affordable by most. People who make less than $2 over the minimum wage can have an inexpensive insurance subsidy deducted from their check, maybe 2% of the gross amount for under $15K, and rising for more coverage.

Employers get a discount on their Federal taxes by insuring their employees. Basically insuring the employees would cost less than the taxes, and saves the government from having to take care of these people, and it shifts the medical insurance coverage from the government to the employer and the employee wins if they comply.

2.) If the procedure is catastrophic or over $15,000 USD, the government will take care of the bill. Also, if someone has insurance exceeeding $15,000 and can cover the medical costs, the government will reinburse the patient 20% of the cost of the medical procedure plus the deductable.

3.) These medical procedures over the limit has to be of which to save the patient from death or great infirmity. Cosmetic surgury doesn't count. If someone needs open heart surgury, they can get it at "no cost" except for the taxation of the citizen. This is sort of the deal, if you want "single payer" or the government footing the bill, the taxes are going to be high.

4.) Have an effort by the government (FDA) medical professionals and drug manufacturers to find a safer alternative to opiates which are overprescribed and are killing people. The drug companies need to brought to bare on this opiate epidemic crisis. No one should be taking opiates unless they can define the level of pain they are in, or as a palliative for end of life pain medication.

My medical plan will be covered by drastic cuts in military spending, legalization and taxation of recreational marijuana, and sin taxes from shit that makes people sick, alcohol, cigarettes, soda, junk food. Concerning military spending, how much is an F-15 (if they make them anymore), $20 million dollars? One hundred people can have their lives saved from a $200,000 operation for the price of one plane.

That's my health care plan.
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Old July 15th, 2017, 05:49 AM   #24
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Like spending almost $600 Billion dollars on an airplane that can't carry our most advanced bombs ??


AND BOOM! There it is. This country is so wealthy. Our lawmakers can "FIND" all kinds of money at the bottom of their pants pockets when they want to. Look at the latest GOP healthcare hot mess. McConnell just happened to find billions of dollars to "bribe" lawmakers who oppose the legislation.
One example of Lisa Murkowski--apparently hoping to appeal to Murkowski by slipping in a provision that could allow her state (Alaska) to access more than $1 billion in federal money.
States with high premiums would receive access to a $182 billion fund designed to stabilize their insurance exchanges. One percent of that money would be earmarked specifically for states that have premiums more than 75 percent higher than the national average — and Alaska is the only state that would meet the standard.
This means the state could get more than $1.8 billion over the next decade. Alaska has some of the highest health care costs in the nation because of its remoteness and lack of medical facilities in many rural areas.
Sullivan said that the program, dubbed the “Kodiak Kickback” or “Polar Payoff” by pundits, would serve as a big boost for his state. https://www.yahoo.com/news/polar-pay...134827226.html

White House Official Boasts They'll 'Bribe Moderates With Opioid Money' to Pass Trumpcare--headlines are all over the internet.

Our government spends money like water:
*$100 million every four years to subsidize parties at the political conventions.
*The Department of Agriculture spent $2 million to fund an internship programs.
*NASA spends milllions on a food menu for a trip to Mars.
*Did you know there is actually a Senate Hair Care program?? It foots the bill of more than $40,000 for the shoeshine attendant last fiscal year. Six barbers took in more than $40,000 each, including nearly $80,000 for the head barber.
Billions of dollars in grant money go for things like research into the dumbest ideas you've ever heard and to other countries.
*From pottery, to flowers, to golf, to first class flights, to what Americans eat--how they sleep--billions flying OUT the door, but we don't have enough money to care for our most indigent citizens. AND OUR MILITARY??? Don't even get me started.

BULLSH**T.
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What on earth does that bizarre comment have to do with what I posted?


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because the vote and/or opinion is not contingent on a citizen's wealth in our republic
Well. Our republic don't exist.
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Is it not time to drag Justice Roberts off his bench and punish him for this mess?

Let us not forget it was Justice Roberts who ignored the defined and limited powers granted to Congress and went on to uphold Obamacare which has successfully destroyed our nation's health-care delivery system.


Our federal Constitution limits Congress' taxing and spending authority to a list which appears beneath Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1.

The defined and limited powers listed beneath Article 1, Section 8. Clause 1, for which Congress is authorized to lay and collect taxes, is as follows:

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.



The list does not include providing for the health-care needs of the people within the various United States.


As a matter of fact Federalist No 45 contradicts the above notion in the following words:



“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."


In addition, our Constitution's Tenth Amendment codifies the above separation of powers as follows:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.___ Tenth Amendment


So, the unanswered question remains: After reading the list of particulars which appears beneath Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1, for which Congress is authorized to lay and collect taxes, what wording authorizes Congress to tax for, spend on and regulate the health-care needs of the people within the various United States"?


Justice Roberts and those who participated in the majority Obamacare opinion, if they cannot answer the above mentioned question, ought to then be pulled of the bench and punished for ignoring the provisions of our Constitution which have resulted in the destruction of the world's best health-care delivery system.


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AND BOOM! There it is. This country is so wealthy. Our lawmakers can "FIND" all kinds of money at the bottom of their pants pockets when they want to. Look at the latest GOP healthcare hot mess. McConnell just happened to find billions of dollars to "bribe" lawmakers who oppose the legislation.
One example of Lisa Murkowski--apparently hoping to appeal to Murkowski by slipping in a provision that could allow her state (Alaska) to access more than $1 billion in federal money.
States with high premiums would receive access to a $182 billion fund designed to stabilize their insurance exchanges. One percent of that money would be earmarked specifically for states that have premiums more than 75 percent higher than the national average — and Alaska is the only state that would meet the standard.
This means the state could get more than $1.8 billion over the next decade. Alaska has some of the highest health care costs in the nation because of its remoteness and lack of medical facilities in many rural areas.
Sullivan said that the program, dubbed the “Kodiak Kickback” or “Polar Payoff” by pundits, would serve as a big boost for his state. https://www.yahoo.com/news/polar-pay...134827226.html

White House Official Boasts They'll 'Bribe Moderates With Opioid Money' to Pass Trumpcare--headlines are all over the internet.

Our government spends money like water:
*$100 million every four years to subsidize parties at the political conventions.
*The Department of Agriculture spent $2 million to fund an internship programs.
*NASA spends milllions on a food menu for a trip to Mars.
*Did you know there is actually a Senate Hair Care program?? It foots the bill of more than $40,000 for the shoeshine attendant last fiscal year. Six barbers took in more than $40,000 each, including nearly $80,000 for the head barber.
Billions of dollars in grant money go for things like research into the dumbest ideas you've ever heard and to other countries.
*From pottery, to flowers, to golf, to first class flights, to what Americans eat--how they sleep--billions flying OUT the door, but we don't have enough money to care for our most indigent citizens. AND OUR MILITARY??? Don't even get me started.

BULLSH**T.





WOW!!!


I don't see any links here...


Clara, Clara, Clara

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