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Old August 10th, 2017, 09:08 AM   #31
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AND you should shut up about Obama doing nothing because it's a lie.
I'll give you an example of WHAT Obama did regarding NK.
Let's start with Trump and work backward. This is what we heard from Trump--your hero--regarding his 'fire and fury' statement: “My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before,” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning.

Here's the reality--God forbid you should accept the facts: TRUMP the LIAR did not order the modernization of the nuclear arsenal. President Obama did that in 2014, and that had to be approved by Congress--which it was. The nuclear arsenal is reviewed and updated every 8 years. The plan will take years to achieve and will cost at least $400 billion so Trump the Liar had nothing to do with it. OBAMA DID THAT.

Obama's sanctions and 8 years of diplomatic maneuvering have crippled NKorea. The sanctions have reduced one-quarter of North Korea’s export earnings. Obama lobbied with China, including a warning to Beijing's wealthy financiers working with NK. China HAS to be concerned because their military is also threatened. Roughly 70 percent of the North’s trade runs through China, including most of its food supplies. High-quality coal exported to China for use in the industry makes up about one-third of North Korea’s total export.

AND what is Trump doing? Talking loudly and carrying a small stick. As usual, he is assuming his reckless, careless posturing--threatening NK with a lot of incendiary remarks. AND who is he talking to?? A psychopath who would gladly push the nuclear button, just because he can.
Obama did not do a thing. Your choking on your own propaganda comrade.

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NORTH KOREA has become increasingly antagonistic over the past year. The tragic death on June 19th of Otto Warmbier, an American student who was held by North Korea for over a year and who subsequently fell into a fatal coma, was only the latest provocation (see article). North Korea has carried out missile tests about every two weeks since the start of the year. Western sanctions and promises of action from China have failed to rein in its nuclear programme. Less remarked upon but perhaps more surprising is that sanctions have also not had much effect on the North Korean economy. Though measuring the impoverished country’s economy remains educated guesswork at best, most experts agree that it is probably growing at between 1% and 5% a year. What makes it so resilient?

In part this is because not all sanctions are meant to cripple the economy. Many are more narrowly targeted. Asset freezes and travel bans target individuals close to the regime; prohibiting the sale of military supplies is meant to hobble the army. But even those that are broad-based have not always been effective. The UN has attempted to block North Korea’s access to hard currency by capping the amount of coal the state can export, potentially depriving it of more than a quarter of its total export revenue. China, the buyer in 99% of North Korea’s reported coal sales, went further in February, saying it would suspend all imports. Yet North Korean vessels have continued to dock at China’s coal ports. And the North can earn foreign currency in other ways: using foreign agents as a front, the regime sells drugs, weapons and counterfeit goods. Mr Kim’s government also earns more than $1bn a year by forcibly sending labourers abroad.
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A weak enforcement framework limits efforts to crack down on illegal trade. And sanctions could be broader still. Countries or individuals that help North Korea do business have not been subject to “secondary sanctions” that would further isolate the country. Such sanctions were instrumental in persuading Iran to seek a deal over its own nuclear plans in 2015. Yet blacklisted North Korean entities continue to enjoy access to the international banking system through the help of Chinese networks and front companies, says Anthony Ruggiero, a former Treasury official who advised Americans during the last round of negotiations with North Korea. Efforts are being made to plug the holes. Rex Tillerson, America’s secretary of state this month told Congress that the administration was moving closer to placing sanctions on countries that do not comply with UN measures.

Yet the North Korean economy may be able to withstand some increased pressure. Though still officially illegal, private enterprise has grown since reforms encouraged by Mr Kim made it possible for individuals to generate profit. Beyond what they must produce for the state, farmers and factories now have some liberty to find customers of their own. Satellite imagery shows markets growing both in size and number across cities. Small and medium businesses are proliferating, says Rüdiger Frank of the University of Vienna, noting that six taxi companies now operate in Pyongyang. Miniso, a home-goods store, became the first foreign chain to open in North Korea, in April. Limited reforms have also allowed the regime to plug part of its dollar deficit: the donju, North Korea’s new class of traders and businessmen, buy themselves protection by making hard-currency “donations” to the government
https://www.economist.com/blogs/econ...st-explains-21

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-missile-focus

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/2/1...-korea-economy

If you did not like the first one. I added two more links. Including the liberalized Bloomberg. Obama kicked the can just like Bush and Clinton and Carter. Nothing was done. Now its up to God Emperor Trump to lead us to victory.
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Old August 10th, 2017, 09:11 AM   #32
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Actually, I specifically mentioned [Bill] Clinton. Your Obama-love is duly noted, but Obama voters are blind to facts. As in allowing the military to shrink while foisting social garbage on that military. So thanks for mentioning Obama, it allows me to segue into the awful job Obama did dealing with North Korea, and how he all but decimated the military.
We spend more than on defense than the next seven countries COMBINED (and some of those are our allies)

Please explain, in detail, how that "decimates" the military?

We SHOULD be reducing spending on the military.
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Old August 10th, 2017, 09:16 AM   #33
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We spend more than on defense than the next seven countries COMBINED (and some of those are our allies)

Please explain, in detail, how that "decimates" the military?

We SHOULD be reducing spending on the military.
I agree. Which is why we should leave Europe to its own defense, Asia and the Pacific nations and Canada. But, as long as were supposed to be the principle defender of the "free world" then we will have to spend that kind of money. Solution is really easy. Stop paying for the free worlds social programs off the back of our defense spending
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Old August 10th, 2017, 09:27 AM   #34
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Obama did not do a thing. Your choking on your own propaganda comrade.


https://www.economist.com/blogs/econ...st-explains-21

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-missile-focus

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/2/1...-korea-economy

If you did not like the first one. I added two more links. Including the liberalized Bloomberg. Obama kicked the can just like Bush and Clinton and Carter. Nothing was done. Now its up to God Emperor Trump to lead us to victory.


UH....where does it say Obama did nothing?? I must have missed that part of the OPINION piece. NK's economy? What the heck does that have to do with "Obama did nothing"? Try to keep up and don't be posting opinion pieces. YOUR argument is Obama did nothing. PROVE IT.
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Old August 10th, 2017, 10:05 AM   #35
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Now is the time to get really, really scared.

Literally this minute from CNN:
Well hell yes! The bend-over Obimbo approach is far more palatable...until it isn't!
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UH....where does it say Obama did nothing?? I must have missed that part of the OPINION piece. NK's economy? What the heck does that have to do with "Obama did nothing"? Try to keep up and don't be posting opinion pieces. YOUR argument is Obama did nothing. PROVE IT.
Apparently, whatever Obimbo did, didn't work. Now we are faced with an idiot so full of himself that he would put his own country in peril to satisfy his ego. Placating these tyrants is NEVER the solution. Force must be met by force.
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Apparently, whatever Obimbo did, didn't work. Now we are faced with an idiot so full of himself that he would put his own country in peril to satisfy his ego. Placating these tyrants is NEVER the solution. Force must be met by force.


Are you suggesting a pre-emptive strike??
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That was part of the Jimmy Carter deal nice try.
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OH PAAAAAAAAAAAAAALEASE do some fucking research before you spew your ignorance alllllllllllllllllllllll over the fucking internet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On North Korea, Bush bargains badly.
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Old August 10th, 2017, 07:09 PM   #39
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UH....where does it say Obama did nothing?? I must have missed that part of the OPINION piece. NK's economy? What the heck does that have to do with "Obama did nothing"? Try to keep up and don't be posting opinion pieces. YOUR argument is Obama did nothing. PROVE IT.
I knew you would not understand it. I was right
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We spend more than on defense than the next seven countries COMBINED (and some of those are our allies)

Please explain, in detail, how that "decimates" the military?

We SHOULD be reducing spending on the military.

Obama decimated the military. Try reading actual facts sometime, you may get educated, And no, I'm not providing links for your lazy ass.

And percentage of GDP, the actual way to look at it, is quite low.
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