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Old September 4th, 2017, 04:15 PM   #91
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Please explain.
I explained this once before. And if you remember coke, he just about blew a fuse over this.

In Alberta, large companies would often contract a service company to do some work. The company that won the bid did so at such a low price that any one with two bits of brain to rub together knew they were cutting corners badly.

But the large company, the "prime contractor" was protected by limited liability laws and when something bad happened, they blamed the subcontractor. If I recall correctly, that is exactly what WalMart did when they got busted with a whole bunch of illegals cleaning stores and stocking shelves after hours.

So laws were passed such that even if the violations of law or regulations were done by a subcontractor, the prime contractor was still responsible. And not only that but the senior management of those prime contractors were personally liable.

It has been this way in Alberta for about 15 years now and more than 25 in BC. And when the laws were passed in each province, all the companies cried and moaned and said there would be famine and pestilence plagues of locusts and other bad stuff. Just like coke did.

Only it didn't happen.

And personal injury and environmental damage incidents decreased markedly.

It is neat to watch a CEO of a company being perp-walked to court.
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I explained this once before. And if you remember coke, he just about blew a fuse over this.

In Alberta, large companies would often contract a service company to do some work. The company that won the bid did so at such a low price that any one with two bits of brain to rub together knew they were cutting corners badly.

But the large company, the "prime contractor" was protected by limited liability laws and when something bad happened, they blamed the subcontractor. If I recall correctly, that is exactly what WalMart did when they got busted with a whole bunch of illegals cleaning stores and stocking shelves after hours.

So laws were passed such that even if the violations of law or regulations were done by a subcontractor, the prime contractor was still responsible. And not only that but the senior management of those prime contractors were personally liable.

It has been this way in Alberta for about 15 years now and more than 25 in BC. And when the laws were passed in each province, all the companies cried and moaned and said there would be famine and pestilence plagues of locusts and other bad stuff. Just like coke did.

Only it didn't happen.

And personal injury and environmental damage incidents decreased markedly.

It is neat to watch a CEO of a company being perp-walked to court.
OK, we need some of those laws. It's doable. Let's get 'em. Perp walk the criminals.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 06:19 AM   #93
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OK, we need some of those laws. It's doable. Let's get 'em. Perp walk the criminals.
Exactly, hold the primary contractor legally liable for the sub-contractors actions.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 08:49 AM   #94
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Bullshit. Fine corporations AND individuals who hire illegals, make an example of a few of the BIGGEST offenders by jailing them.
Make the fines & penalties so large that NO employer would dream of taking a chance on hiring an illegal.
The illegals come here for JOBS, once word goes out that an illegal cannot beg, borrow or steal a job in the U.S. they will STOP COMING.
A few years ago I went into a company to see the management. It was early and a few people were milling around in the break room. So, I waited there. In a few minutes a suit walked in and thanked those who were there and for having worked in the company, but it was now closed.

Earlier in the evening all the trucks were sent with the company's equipment to Mexico. It turns out the workers were looking into starting a union. That was the company's response... move to Mexico.

When we look at all the companies that are willing to leave the U.S. rather than to be dictated to by government, one begins to get this message:

If you impose on the Rights of employers, they might take their business elsewhere. It's happening right under your noses.

I can tell you this: it will be a really cold day in an otherwise hot spot before the government ever tells me who I can and cannot hire. America is not socialist yet, so the jobs still belong to the employer that creates them.
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^ I unnerstan' whut you mean, massa.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 08:56 AM   #96
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A few years ago I went into a company to see the management. It was early and a few people were milling around in the break room. So, I waited there. In a few minutes a suit walked in and thanked those who were there and for having worked in the company, but it was now closed.

Earlier in the evening all the trucks were sent with the company's equipment to Mexico. It turns out the workers were looking into starting a union. That was the company's response... move to Mexico.

When we look at all the companies that are willing to leave the U.S. rather than to be dictated to by government, one begins to get this message:

If you impose on the Rights of employers, they might take their business elsewhere. It's happening right under your noses.

I can tell you this: it will be a really cold day in an otherwise hot spot before the government ever tells me who I can and cannot hire. America is not socialist yet, so the jobs still belong to the employer that creates them.
So you support hiring illegals. Great to know where you stand.
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So you support hiring illegals. Great to know where you stand.
Sounds like an open borders kind of guy, doesn't he?
What would you like to bet that he also hates ADA, EPA, OSHA and pretty much anything else that might help American workers, consumers and/or the environment but might cost corporations a dime?
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HOW IS THAT PAYING FOR THE WALL???
If fewer legal and illegals are NOT here working and NOT sending a portion of their earnings home that means that portion of their earnings they did NOT send home to Mexico was also NOT spent here in American stores and sales taxes and other user fees were NOT paid to the U.S. Treasury.
Correct?

You' people have no idea in the world how budgets work, just a desperate desire to try and keep Lord lard-Ass from looking like less of a liar and a fool.
There is a myriad of economic solutions that would force Mexico to pay for the Wall. Mexico has long used the U.S. and a safety valve for ridding themselves of citizens they don't want to support. Hence, the battle to stop the Wall. The simple fact is, illegal aliens are NOT adding to our economy, they are sucking every cent they can out of it. To the tune of $Billions of dollars annually in supplementation. Who's money are they taking?
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There is a myriad of economic solutions that would force Mexico to pay for the Wall. Mexico has long used the U.S. and a safety valve for ridding themselves of citizens they don't want to support. Hence, the battle to stop the Wall. The simple fact is, illegal aliens are NOT adding to our economy, they are sucking every cent they can out of it. To the tune of $Billions of dollars annually in supplementation. Who's money are they taking?
Yeah? Well the one described in the post my post was responding to sure as fuck isn't one of them.
I was simply pointing out the obvious which YOU do not question or challenge the logic of.

And WE have long used Mexico's poor as a way to keep OUR workers wages down. *shrug*
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So you support hiring illegals. Great to know where you stand.
Here we go again. You're like the guys wanting to stereotype me, right? Sorry, I don't fit a pre-made mold.

I support an employer's right to hire whomever they choose to fill the position. If you want Americans to have a better than even chance to get a job, you should allow the free market to work.

One better idea that Trump should have considered was one of my own. I would allow employers to hire whomever they want and then:

* Allow substantial tax breaks to take Americans off welfare, unemployment and offer jobs to the handicapped

* An additional tax break for companies to hire an all American work-force

* Tax incentives to pay that all American workforce 15 percent above the minimum wage as a starting wage

* Tax incentives to bring jobs back to the United States.
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