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Old September 8th, 2017, 06:13 AM   #171
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Old September 8th, 2017, 06:37 AM   #172
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Mexico already has started paying for it. the money being sent back to Mexico by Illegal Immigrants has been cut massively.

you see Mexicos 2nd largest GDP resource was Illegals sending money back to Mexico. Now it is the 8th largest resource.
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How in the fuck is that PAYING for anything? How is that transferring money from the Mexican Treasury to our Treasury to reimburse us for money WE spend on the wall? Do you not know what it means to PAY for something?

If the money sent from both illegals and legals residing in the U.S. to their families in Mexico has been "cut" as you say it is only because fewer illegals and legals are currently residing here.
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Mexicans In The U.S. Are Sending Home More Money Than Ever : Goats and Soda : NPR
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Old September 8th, 2017, 07:58 AM   #173
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Mexicans In The U.S. Are Sending Home More Money Than Ever : Goats and Soda : NPR
Name calling BUT absolutely NO effort to refute, or even intelligently dispute, a fucking thing i said.
Typical.

You're slow kid, very slow. Did you not see in my post where i said, "IF the money sent from both illegals and legals residing in the U.S. to their families has been "cut' AS YOU SAY..."
You do know what the word IF means, right?
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Old September 8th, 2017, 10:46 AM   #174
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May I inquire about your statistics?

How many dreamers...

Are serving in the Armed Forces

Are working in high tech companies

Have full time jobs and are self sufficient

Are in college with an acceptable grade point average?


We accept as many new citizens in one year as there are total DREAMERS in the United States. And though, technically DREAMERS are here illegally (sic), they are not criminals. Congress has the ability to DO something about the situation.

I think we'd be much safer with those people as citizens than the hit and miss people we import from places like Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, etc. The probability that DREAMERS would make productive citizens is a better gamble.

What I would propose is this - at least for those that are here:

Let us cut down on the number of people we allow to become citizens by a mere 20 percent. In under five years, we will have absorbed the DREAMERS without any unusual impact on our society. Then we can go back to the numbers of new citizens.
Are you talking about "illegal aliens" who took full advantage of the American taxpayer, and still are?! Lets not forget, the "illegal aliens" sat in a classroom paid for by legal American citizen using tax-dollars that were suppose to go to legal American children. They then acquired a job (illegally) that should have gone to a legal American citizen. And then you tell me we're suppose to honor that?! It will be a cold day in hell when I buy that crap!
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Old September 8th, 2017, 11:37 AM   #175
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Are you talking about "illegal aliens" who took full advantage of the American taxpayer, and still are?! Lets not forget, the "illegal aliens" sat in a classroom paid for by legal American citizen using tax-dollars that were suppose to go to legal American children. They then acquired a job (illegally) that should have gone to a legal American citizen. And then you tell me we're suppose to honor that?! It will be a cold day in hell when I buy that crap!
You make a presumption not rooted in facts.

The American courts have ruled that all children are entitled to a public education. IF you disagree, as I do, then your issue is with the American political and legal system.

I simply disagree with the xenophobes on the right that think just because you are an American, it entitles you to a job in the private sector. When the issue was affirmative action / preferential hiring schemes / racial quotas / reverse discrimination, I was out there lobbying with the best of them and active at every level. The left swore to their last dying breath that I was KKK / Neo Nazi. Yet, here we are again and my belief has not changed.

The person best suited to determine who is the best candidate for a job is the employer. And, lo and behold, you AGREE with me. You shop in stores and use the services of the business with the best prices. MILLIONS shop at Walmart, knowing full well Walmart knowingly hired subcontractors that used undocumented workers. You absolutely cannot build a government big enough to save you from yourself.

The children we're talking about today had no choice in the matter. And, while their presence here is "illegal," it's not a crime. Those children were brought up thinking that they were Americans and that this is their home. The communities in which they live have, most likely, accepted them as such.

But, you seem to prefer that the seats in college be dominated by foreigners with no roots and no loyalty to the United States. Perhaps that is why you have not looked to see how many DREAMERS served in the military or are in college with plans to stay and use their education in America.

In family law there is a doctrine called condonation. Condonation is:

"Term used in canon law, but now generally obsolete, meaning a forgiveness by the husband of his wife or by a wife of her husband, of adultery committed, with an implied condition that the injury shall not be repeated and that the other party shall be treated with conjugal
kindness
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Legal Definition of Condonation

In the above description, if a husband cheats and the wife finds out and then forgives him, continuing on with their marital relationship, she cannot sue for divorce on grounds of adultery.

Likewise, since no precedents govern DREAMERS, I would use that legal analogy that both the government AND the citizenry KNEW, for a fact, the situation of many of those foreign born children, but chose not to do anything about it. Therefore, they condoned it and lost any right to pursue the situation.

It's much like squatters. People can park themselves on your land and pretend it's home. It's illegal, but if you do nothing, they gain the right to be there via a doctrine called adverse possession if they stay for a statutorily determined amount of time.

An enterprising attorney could certainly apply all these legal doctrines - along with their legal reasoning and, most likely, win in court. The United States Supreme Court is always looking for ways to legislate from the bench. You best pray that no attorney is willing to invest a little time to help the courts make new law on this one.
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Good, we need secure borders and extending the wall is a welcome addition.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 06:25 PM   #177
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Are you talking about "illegal aliens" who took full advantage of the American taxpayer, and still are?! Lets not forget, the "illegal aliens" sat in a classroom paid for by legal American citizen using tax-dollars that were suppose to go to legal American children. They then acquired a job (illegally) that should have gone to a legal American citizen. And then you tell me we're suppose to honor that?! It will be a cold day in hell when I buy that crap!
What we are talking about is 800,000 young people, better educated than the average American of their age, less inclined to commit crimes than the average American of their age, ready to work and pay taxes and frankly likely to be more productive and contribute more than the average American of their age.

And this in an economy that is facing a shortage of workers.

And you want to kick them out, would you want to kick them out if they were Norwegian?
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What we are talking about is 800,000 young people, better educated than the average American of their age, less inclined to commit crimes than the average American of their age, ready to work and pay taxes and frankly likely to be more productive and contribute more than the average American of their age.

And this in an economy that is facing a shortage of workers.

And you want to kick them out, would you want to kick them out if they were Norwegian?
Please link that statement.
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What we are talking about is 800,000 young people, better educated than the average American of their age, less inclined to commit crimes than the average American of their age, ready to work and pay taxes and frankly likely to be more productive and contribute more than the average American of their age.

And this in an economy that is facing a shortage of workers.

And you want to kick them out, would you want to kick them out if they were Norwegian?
Illegal alien Norwegians? Yes of course. Kick them out.
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