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Old September 6th, 2017, 06:56 AM   #41
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An interesting difference between UK and US English: in the first, 'trump' is a genteel way of saying 'fart': in the latter it means 'lying, racist nazi'.
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Why not count all of the jobs in America? Why exclude millions?

Data extracted on: September 5, 2017 (10:25:49 AM)

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over


Download:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
2003 137417(1) 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
2004 138472(1) 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
2005 140245(1) 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
2006 143150(1) 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
2007 146028(1) 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146378(1) 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152(1) 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438(1) 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250(1) 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584(1) 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143225(1) 143315 143319 143603 143856 144006 144318 144304 144466 143577 144536 144741
2014 145055(1) 145102 145715 145673 145819 146222 146461 146501 146845 147426 147361 147521
2015 148061(1) 148108 148244 148522 148792 148742 148890 149092 148932 149255 149419 150030
2016 150533(1) 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081(1) 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439
Just because you found numbers more to your liking, doesn't mean that those numbers mean what you think they mean.

For example, you think you posted job numbers, you didn't
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Just because you found numbers more to your liking, doesn't mean that those numbers mean what you think they mean.

For example, you think you posted job numbers, you didn't
According to the BLS there were 153,439,000 total jobs in America at the end of August, that is the number I posted. Do you not agree that is the number of jobs in the US?
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According to the BLS there were 153,439,000 total jobs in America at the end of August, that is the number I posted. Do you not agree that is the number of jobs in the US?
No you didn't, "jobs" refers to the establishment survey, you stumbled upon the household survey, which refers to "employment".

The two are related but not the same.
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No you didn't, "jobs" refers to the establishment survey, you stumbled upon the household survey, which refers to "employment".

The two are related but not the same.
Both are titled employment, and estimate the number of jobs. The household survey includes all jobs where the CES does not.


Data extracted on: September 6, 2017 (2:27:24 PM)

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over


Download:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 146028(1) 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146378(1) 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152(1) 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438(1) 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250(1) 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584(1) 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143225(1) 143315 143319 143603 143856 144006 144318 144304 144466 143577 144536 144741
2014 145055(1) 145102 145715 145673 145819 146222 146461 146501 146845 147426 147361 147521
2015 148061(1) 148108 148244 148522 148792 148742 148890 149092 148932 149255 149419 150030
2016 150533(1) 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081(1) 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439
1 : Data affected by changes in population controls.
Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

Series Id: CES0000000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Series Title: All employees, thousands, total nonfarm, seasonally adjusted
Super Sector: Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS


Download:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 137506 137595 137785 137865 138008 138083 138049 138029 138117 138201 138315 138413
2008 138430 138346 138268 138058 137872 137710 137497 137230 136780 136306 135540 134846
2009 134053 133351 132528 131841 131492 131021 130692 130479 130259 130055 130053 129778
2010 129801 129733 129897 130140 130664 130527 130459 130423 130371 130633 130752 130839
2011 130882 131071 131296 131642 131719 131944 132013 132123 132371 132580 132721 132930
2012 133288 133525 133758 133836 133951 134027 134170 134347 134550 134696 134828 135072
2013 135283 135569 135699 135896 136122 136284 136406 136667 136857 137069 137327 137374
2014 137564 137715 137987 138316 138562 138866 139068 139298 139578 139805 140117 140372
2015 140606 140844 140930 141192 141536 141742 141996 142153 142253 142574 142846 143085
2016 143211 143448 143673 143826 143869 144166 144457 144633 144882 145006 145170 145325
2017 145541 145773 145823 146030 146175 146385 146574(P) 146730(P)
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Both are titled employment, and estimate the number of jobs. The household survey includes all jobs where the CES does not.


Data extracted on: September 6, 2017 (2:27:24 PM)

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over


Download:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 146028(1) 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146378(1) 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152(1) 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438(1) 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250(1) 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584(1) 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143225(1) 143315 143319 143603 143856 144006 144318 144304 144466 143577 144536 144741
2014 145055(1) 145102 145715 145673 145819 146222 146461 146501 146845 147426 147361 147521
2015 148061(1) 148108 148244 148522 148792 148742 148890 149092 148932 149255 149419 150030
2016 150533(1) 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081(1) 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439
1 : Data affected by changes in population controls.
Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

Series Id: CES0000000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Series Title: All employees, thousands, total nonfarm, seasonally adjusted
Super Sector: Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS


Download:
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 137506 137595 137785 137865 138008 138083 138049 138029 138117 138201 138315 138413
2008 138430 138346 138268 138058 137872 137710 137497 137230 136780 136306 135540 134846
2009 134053 133351 132528 131841 131492 131021 130692 130479 130259 130055 130053 129778
2010 129801 129733 129897 130140 130664 130527 130459 130423 130371 130633 130752 130839
2011 130882 131071 131296 131642 131719 131944 132013 132123 132371 132580 132721 132930
2012 133288 133525 133758 133836 133951 134027 134170 134347 134550 134696 134828 135072
2013 135283 135569 135699 135896 136122 136284 136406 136667 136857 137069 137327 137374
2014 137564 137715 137987 138316 138562 138866 139068 139298 139578 139805 140117 140372
2015 140606 140844 140930 141192 141536 141742 141996 142153 142253 142574 142846 143085
2016 143211 143448 143673 143826 143869 144166 144457 144633 144882 145006 145170 145325
2017 145541 145773 145823 146030 146175 146385 146574(P) 146730(P)
The two are related but not the same.
The household survey counts the number of individuals who are employed.
If you have a job, or two jobs or five jobs, it counts as 1 employed.
It's a phone survey, and it's not as accurate as the establishment survey.

The establishment survey is based on payroll data submitted by employers, it's considered more accurate, it counts jobs, which is a person on a payroll.
If you are on two payrolls, it counts as two jobs.


It's the one that the news talks about, it's the one that gets used.
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The two are related but not the same.
The household survey counts the number of individuals who are employed.
If you have a job, or two jobs or five jobs, it counts as 1 employed.
It's a phone survey, and it's not as accurate as the establishment survey.

The establishment survey is based on payroll data submitted by employers, it's considered more accurate, it counts jobs, which is a person on a payroll.
If you are on two payrolls, it counts as two jobs.


It's the one that the news talks about, it's the one that gets used.
Once again there is a dumbass in the room that does not know the difference in U6 and U3

You using U3 NUMBERS as the basis of your stance., (U3 Counts PART TIME and TEMP JOBS equally) U6 does not count Part time and full time as employed,

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An interesting difference between UK and US English: in the first, 'trump' is a genteel way of saying 'fart': in the latter it means 'lying, racist nazi'.
I have a question for you

Why do you think Blacks and Rural Poor are too Stupid to make it on their own?

That is what liberals tell me they cannot make it unless some Rich White Elite does not pick them up they cannot make it on their own merit, So why do you think YOU are Superior to Black people?

Why do you force innercity Blacks to go to the worst schools in the area?
Is it because you want your Opinion of Black people to be True, by insuring they get an 3rd Rate Education?

NO liberals are the Racists.

Conservatives Believe that Blacks and Rural Poor are people that are intelligent, inovative and equals.

Explain to me why YOU THINK YOU are superior to blacks and Brown and rural poor? That is the TRUE racism.
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An interesting difference between UK and US English: in the first, 'trump' is a genteel way of saying 'fart': in the latter it means 'lying, racist nazi'.


How dumb. President Trump's son-in-law is a Jew, and his daughter converted to Judaism. He has been called the best friend Israel has had in decades. He has Jews in his Cabinet.

Tossing the term "racist" or "nazi" about is just another leftist attempt to stifle, and makes all of you look the fools that you are.
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Once again there is a dumbass in the room that does not know the difference in U6 and U3

You using U3 NUMBERS as the basis of your stance., (U3 Counts PART TIME and TEMP JOBS equally) U6 does not count Part time and full time as employed,

Thanks for playing.
I am just pointing out that when some cites the "Jobs numbers" they mean the establishment survey, I wouldn't expect you to understand...
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