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Old September 6th, 2017, 06:50 AM   #91
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I am also a Christian. But, just because my religion is 2000 years old, doesn't mean my thinking is.
Just curious. Do you believe Jesus literally rose from the dead?
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Old September 6th, 2017, 06:56 AM   #92
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Just curious. Do you believe Jesus literally rose from the dead?
Not an insensible question.

I preface my comment on a few facts:

- I'm not a Christian.

- I do not subscribe to supernatural beliefs.

BUT !!

Yes.
Most of Christ's contemporaries lived and died, and we're none the wiser.

Christ has indeed risen from the grave, and haunts us still, even millennia later.
Ironically:
the number of Christians living on Earth today may exceed the number of humans living on the planet when Christ was wearing Birkenstocks.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 07:04 AM   #93
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No not at all Christianity is a belief that Jesus, the Son of God, who was God came to Earth, and died for all sins. He rose on the Third Day and later ascended to Heaven, that shedding of blood covers my sin when I accept the payment and ask him to be savior of my life. God is God, when I speak i use the authority of scripture. My version is according to the word, it makes me no better than anyone, but it is the truth according to scripture. Hope you have a great day
One little change.

that shedding of blood covers my sin when I accept the payment and ask him to be savior of my life

In the OT the blood of the sacrifices covered the sins of the people. The NT makes it clear that Jesus blood removes the sins of the people. In fact it states that it removes it "as far as the east is from the west".
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Old September 6th, 2017, 07:09 AM   #94
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Bitterness itself is not so much a sin as it is a human trait. I would say the sin comes in the cause of it, and what one chooses to do with that bitterness. If I become bitter because my neighbor has a better car than I do, that is born of coveting and ingratitude, sins of the heart that can lead to wrong behavior such as hating my neighbor and/or keying his car when he's not around (an act of grounded in deceit). Or I may slander him to others (that is also on the list). Or I may go so far as to do him physical harm. Clearly that is wrong.

How does one cheat on one's wife without practicing deceit? The very word "cheat" should be a give away. Notice the first item on the list-- a lying tongue. These are all sins of the heart that lead to wrong behavior.
You refer to sins of the heart that can lead to wrong behavior. Would that wrong behavior also be sin? Is a behavior ONLY a sin if it can be linked to what you classify as a "sin of the heart" from the passage you quoted? If the Bible describes a certain behavior as sin, then wouldn't rebellion to that knowledge be a sin of the heart?
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Old September 6th, 2017, 07:30 AM   #95
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So the ten commandments are sort of optional I guess.
That depends on how they were repeated in the New Testament. Jesus actually strengthened a few of them. He took the one about murder and said if you hate someone, that that is just as bad.
Matthew 5:21-22 You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,a and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.
He did the same thing with the command about adultery.
Matthew 5:27-28 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

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Or who gets to choose which parts of the OT don't apply to you and which parts do?
Who gets to choose whether a command to Noah applies to you? I think you could just look at yourself and determine whether you are the audience to which the command is directed.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 07:55 AM   #96
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You refer to sins of the heart that can lead to wrong behavior. Would that wrong behavior also be sin? Is a behavior ONLY a sin if it can be linked to what you classify as a "sin of the heart" from the passage you quoted? If the Bible describes a certain behavior as sin, then wouldn't rebellion to that knowledge be a sin of the heart?
Paul deals with this dilemma in Romans 7-8.
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Paul deals with this dilemma in Romans 7-8.
I don't see Romans 7-8 answering the question I asked you. Does Paul say the behavior is not a sin unless it comes from "sin of the heart" listed in Proverbs 6?
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I didn't say that you had misinterpreted.

I said that your interpretation differs from others'.

I see no reason to believe that one is more valid over another.

Except I cannot believe that the Bible is meant to be taken literally. I do believe it's an amazing book with accessible and metaphorical stories, parables, scriptures and events that help us to lead good, productive, compassionate, ethical lives. But, I do not believe a man lived inside a big fish, I don't believe the Grand Canyon was made by Noah's Flood, I don't believe Eve had luncheon chats with a snake and I don't believe she populated the earth with her sons. (I could go on, but I won't.)

I am also a Christian. But, just because my religion is 2000 years old, doesn't mean my thinking is.
Well in my opinion you have a form of Godliness, while denying his power.

I believe this verse describes you, I am not trying to be a jerk but this is what I see today, and you would fit the description of having a form of Godliness while denying his power.

2 Timothy 3New King James Version (NKJV)
Perilous Times and Perilous Men

3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.
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One little change.

that shedding of blood covers my sin when I accept the payment and ask him to be savior of my life

In the OT the blood of the sacrifices covered the sins of the people. The NT makes it clear that Jesus blood removes the sins of the people. In fact it states that it removes it "as far as the east is from the west".
I was speaking of the blood of Jesus, sorry if it was worded poorly!
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Old September 6th, 2017, 08:58 AM   #100
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That depends on how they were repeated in the New Testament. Jesus actually strengthened a few of them. He took the one about murder and said if you hate someone, that that is just as bad.
Matthew 5:21-22 You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,a and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.
He did the same thing with the command about adultery.
Matthew 5:27-28 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Who gets to choose whether a command to Noah applies to you? I think you could just look at yourself and determine whether you are the audience to which the command is directed.
As I thought. Then each is allowed his own interpretations. So much for the literal word of god.
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