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Old September 3rd, 2017, 12:45 PM   #11
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People on this board, conservatives if you will, have no trouble standing against the KKK (the tiny few that there are) or so-called white supremacists. Now, OTOH, we have every conservative in America tarred by posters like Camelot, and other posters saying antifa has the right idea. Plus others defending antifa in various ways.

Indeed, when President Trump excoriated the violence on all sides, we saw the left here, and across the blogosphere, attack him for being truthful. That was just more defending antifa by other means.
Yup, all them nice guy Nazis just loved that remark. Do did David Duke.
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People on this board, conservatives if you will, have no trouble standing against the KKK (the tiny few that there are) or so-called white supremacists. Now, OTOH, we have every conservative in America tarred by posters like Camelot, and other posters saying antifa has the right idea. Plus others defending antifa in various ways.

Indeed, when President Trump excoriated the violence on all sides, we saw the left here, and across the blogosphere, attack him for being truthful. That was just more defending antifa by other means.
The mark of a truely lame argument is the reliance on the Logical Fallacy....In the left's case it is their insistence that the White Supremacist/Klan/Neo-Nazis are some how a Conservative creation.....This is the classical "Strawman Argument Fallacy"... The way to answer a logical fallacy is to not acknowledge the lame assertion it makes....
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In my own church I guess I'm what you would call a "closet democrat." I hold to my faith, but share political views with many on the left, particularly when it comes to inclusiveness and human kindness and personal dignity over rigid ideology.
But isn't it possible to be going too far to the left, to one of the extremes mentioned in the article, if one sees those on the right as totally lacking in inclusiveness or human kindness or recognizing human dignity? Freedom of speech is a valued ideal in America, yet the left often uses "inclusiveness" as a club to bang on the heads of people who hold to traditional Christian values in the areas of marriage and sexuality. If you don't follow the left's version of "inclusiveness," then you're holding to "rigid ideology" and are a hater and should potentially even lose your job and reputation.
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Yup, all them nice guy Nazis just loved that remark. Do did David Duke.
And antifa hated the remark because they believe violence from THEM against the KKK is a completely appropriate response.

But IS violence an appropriate response from either side?
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But isn't it possible to be going too far to the left, to one of the extremes mentioned in the article, if one sees those on the right as totally lacking in inclusiveness or human kindness or recognizing human dignity? Freedom of speech is a valued ideal in America, yet the left often uses "inclusiveness" as a club to bang on the heads of people who hold to traditional Christian values in the areas of marriage and sexuality. If you don't follow the left's version of "inclusiveness," then you're holding to "rigid ideology" and are a hater and should potentially even lose your job and reputation.
Excellent point. However, when it comes to personal choices of individuals, it's not my interest to be judge and jury.
I try and be accepting to a point (I'm not perfect. I have my bias, known or unknown) and let God sort out the mess we make of our lives.
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Yup, all them nice guy Nazis just loved that remark. Do did David Duke.

You are such a hater. Who gives a f*$% what David Duke says? LOL He has how many actual followers? Meanwhile, we have numerous assaults of reporters by antifa.

This thread is about all sides denouncing political violence, which is what President Trump did. Try and follow along.
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And antifa hated the remark because they believe violence from THEM against the KKK is a completely appropriate response.

But IS violence an appropriate response from either side?
Answer is.............NO....But that is the point of my Strawman Fallacy......The Strawman being...KKK, Neo Nazis, Anti-fa and some other assorted anarchists....of course no one (including Trump) supports these violent anarchist groups... But the left insists on inferring there is a KKK/Conservative nexus, to trick the right into defending these extremist cretins....The answer is to call the left out for it's ingenuous position. You can not negotiate with people who are being dishonest in the first place, therefor the premise of this post is flawed..
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You are such a hater. Who gives a f*$% what David Duke says? LOL He has how many actual followers? Meanwhile, we have numerous assaults of reporters by antifa.

This thread is about all sides denouncing political violence, which is what President Trump did. Try and follow along.
There is a whole herd of people, including very many Republicans who don't see the tRumpivers through your rose colored glasses.
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You are such a hater. Who gives a f*$% what David Duke says? LOL He has how many actual followers? Meanwhile, we have numerous assaults of reporters by antifa.

This thread is about all sides denouncing political violence, which is what President Trump did. Try and follow along.
No. President Trump said there were nice and good people on both sides.

THERE ARE NO GOOD AND NICE NAZIS AND KKK'ERS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS.
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For a decade in the past, the wife and I tried to find a church that we felt comfortable in. The problem I found were many, but the biggest turn offs for her and i was politics and being closed minded. We experienced politics from both spectrums throughout our search and found it unsatisfying and unacceptable.

If they weren't mocking and ridiculing the right, then they were damning the left as hellbound degenerates. Many considered non members to be living In Sin if they weren't a part of their particular church. The original message of the Bible has been lost in a sea of hypocrisy!

Needless to say, we've given up for the time being and worship privately without the corruption of outside influences, including the corruption politics that seem to influence many a church in this country.
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