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Old September 5th, 2017, 06:31 AM   #51
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Is the left okay with me teaching that the Bible is in opposition to same sex marriage, or does such a message make me a "hater" in the eyes of the left? I'm serious about this question. If some on the left consider me a "hater," are they part of the extreme left, or are they the general, average left.
First, let me thank you for voting against the Constitutional Amendment which would have banned gay marriage.

I feel the word 'hater' is thrown around a bit too casually. A person who uses the Bible to advocate discrimination is not in the same league with the person who wants to bash gays because they're icky.

I am curious why you would teach lessons from the Bible on a subject which you obviously feel personally is as outdated as many of the laws that are given in the Bible.

I would feel the same way about a sermon - or 'lesson' - based on a couple Biblical scriptures about homosexuality as I would about a sermon based on the few Biblical scriptures which condemn race mixing.

As far as you being a 'hater,' just the fact that you have actually thought about the issue puts you leagues ahead of the Westboro-type hater.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 06:49 AM   #52
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First, let me thank you for voting against the Constitutional Amendment which would have banned gay marriage.

I feel the word 'hater' is thrown around a bit too casually. A person who uses the Bible to advocate discrimination is not in the same league with the person who wants to bash gays because they're icky.

I am curious why you would teach lessons from the Bible on a subject which you obviously feel personally is as outdated as many of the laws that are given in the Bible.

I would feel the same way about a sermon - or 'lesson' - based on a couple Biblical scriptures about homosexuality as I would about a sermon based on the few Biblical scriptures which condemn race mixing.

As far as you being a 'hater,' just the fact that you have actually thought about the issue puts you leagues ahead of the Westboro-type hater.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 08:23 AM   #53
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Well good for you. And tell us, what "conversation" were you having with them ?? Were you proselytizing ?? Or were you simply talking about the weather or other small talk ?? TRUE charity comes with no strings. If you're using "helping the homeless" to "spread the word" then it's not true charity is it ??

As far as the part in bold ? While I truly hate to stereotype where I live, but come on down to the southeast. I'll be glad to introduce you to some of the very people I mentioned. I don't argue with them. They are my customers, so I keep it professional and ignore their comments. But that doesn't stop them from trying to start the discussions or making comments. I'm not saying ALL Christians, but there is certainly a sizable contingent down in my part of the country.

And yes, I find it perplexing just how someone that calls themselves Christian can hold some of those beliefs and opinions. But I had one preacher, that told me being black was the mark of Cain and as such blacks were ordained by God to be subservient to whites.

However on the other hand, I have a coworker that is also a preacher and we have surprisingly similar world views.
As they believed in God, but had no Church affiliations, I certainly wasn't proselytizing
pros·e·lyt·ize
ˈpräs(ə)ləˌtīz/
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gerund or present participle: proselytizing

convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

I talked to the homeless person's sleeping in front of an old catholic church, in the middle of a mall complex, that was built around it. I asked him about the symbols on the Church, if he knew what they meant, he didn't. I asked him if he attended the Church he said he did on Sundays if it was cold out to get warm asked him if they taught about forgiveness, and hope, he said they did not. I shared the Gospel with him, prayed with he and his girlfriend, and told them where they could find out more about Jesus if they chose to.



We weren't offering anything but conversation, and the a Word while asking for nothing! The Statement in bold is hogwash, I have never even heard of that belief before.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #54
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As they believed in God, but had no Church affiliations, I certainly wasn't proselytizing
pros·e·lyt·ize
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convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

I talked to the homeless person's sleeping in front of an old catholic church, in the middle of a mall complex, that was built around it. I asked him about the symbols on the Church, if he knew what they meant, he didn't. I asked him if he attended the Church he said he did on Sundays if it was cold out to get warm asked him if they taught about forgiveness, and hope, he said they did not. I shared the Gospel with him, prayed with he and his girlfriend, and told them where they could find out more about Jesus if they chose to.



We weren't offering anything but conversation, and the a Word while asking for nothing! The Statement in bold is hogwash, I have never even heard of that belief before.
So you don't consider changing someone's belief from atheist/agnostic to christian as a "convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another." Interesting twist of meanings there.

But about the kind of doublethink someone who thinks three gods are only one can do in his sleep.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 08:39 AM   #55
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Obama attended an evangelical church in Chicago. Many Black churches in America are evangelical, and most come from the left. In the teaching profession, many of my evangelical colleagues are on the left, as is the NEA.
We're there, we're just not as loud and obnoxious as those one the right. When you say nice accepting things about other people, it doesn't buy air time with the Press.

When the Right was trying so desperately to pass a constitutional amendment in Minnesota to prohibit gay marriage, there were at least 10 evangelical churches that rolled out in mass to protest, and many circulated petitions among their congregations to keep this proposal off the ballot. In the end, the gay marriage ban failed largely because of public opposition by evangelicals. In my own (former) church one of the unofficial leaders announced a special meeting to help push the amendment through. I turned to my wife and said quietly, "I'm not okay with this." She agreed, and we never went back. We fit in much better in the evangelical church we are attending now.
Evangelicals are ok with Gay marriage? Which denomination? I certainly have no interest in harming LGBT people, but i will not say I agree with their lifestyle, nor shy away from saying so if asked, it is against the Word of God.
Having said this I do agree with the article that there needs to be more civility in politics, and the fringe elements should be castigated. The problem with that many hear think Christianity is a fringe radical group.
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So you don't consider changing someone's belief from atheist/agnostic to christian as a "convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another." Interesting twist of meanings there.

But about the kind of doublethink someone who thinks three gods are only one can do in his sleep.
Atheism isn't supposed to be a religion, are you saying it is, I said he believed in God, but had no church affiliation! Also he said the word of God really wasn't preached in that Catholic Church.

Yes I believe in the Trinity!

If you are asking if I Believe that telling an atheist that God is real is proselytizing, no i do not!
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The problem with that many hear think Christianity is a fringe radical group.
The problem is that there are waaaaay too many diverse views of Christianity which presume to think that their viewpoint is the only valid one.
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The problem is that there are waaaaay too many diverse views of Christianity which presume to think that their viewpoint is the only valid one.
I disagree, I agree with the word of God, that is not saying I want harm to come to anyone, but according to scripture Homosexuality is a sin, not unlike other sin except the sinner is outright sinning in rebellion to God and celebrating it.

We simply disagree i suppose!
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Atheism isn't supposed to be a religion, are you saying it is, I said he believed in God, but had no church affiliation! Also he said the word of God really wasn't preached in that Catholic Church.

Yes I believe in the Trinity!

If you are asking if I Believe that telling an atheist that God is real is proselytizing, no i do not!
Using your definition, it included beliefs and opinions, along with religion. Dip, dodge, deflect and ignore away but you can't get away from it. You were prolethysising.
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I disagree, I agree with the word of God, that is not saying I want harm to come to anyone, but according to scripture Homosexuality is a sin, not unlike other sin except the sinner is outright sinning in rebellion to God and celebrating it.

We simply disagree i suppose!
Do you eat shrimp ? lobster ? pork ribs ? How many types of fiber are in the clothes you're wearing ? Ever planted a garden with different veggies all next to each other ? Ever washed the car, mowed the lawn or had to work on Sunday ? Even if you don't work what about the fire, police, power company employees that have to work ? ALL serious sins according to the bible ! How many of them do you routinely ignore ?? How many do you feel are no longer valid ?

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