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Old September 5th, 2017, 05:37 PM   #71
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I doubt there's even one person on this board that can say they were virgins when they got married and have never had any sort of sexual contact with a person other than their original spouse.
well, I'm on the board, and your description applies to me. I did hold hands with a girl I dated before I met my wife, but I wouldn't call hand-holding "sexual contact." My brother's daughter experienced her first kiss on her wedding day, so being a virgin before marriage is not unusual in my circles.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 05:44 PM   #72
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well, I'm on the board, and your description applies to me. I did hold hands with a girl I dated before I met my wife, but I wouldn't call hand-holding "sexual contact." My brother's daughter experienced her first kiss on her wedding day, so being a virgin before marriage is not unusual in my circles.
Then I am proven wrong. Good for you. But I think it's safe to say that's probably a relatively small circle you live in.

My issue isn't with you though. My issue is with those that want to pick and chose which parts of the bible they're going to use to control OTHER people, while conveniently ignoring those parts that are in conflict their own transgressions.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 05:47 PM   #73
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I am curious why you would teach lessons from the Bible on a subject which you obviously feel personally is as outdated as many of the laws that are given in the Bible.
Well, I DON'T think the biblical perspective on homosexuality is out-dated. I just don't think all my Biblical beliefs should be put into law. I do see the Bible condemning murder, and I AM willing to see a ban on murder be put into law, but if an action is just a sin against God with out hurting other people, then it is much harder to justify making that action illegal for everyone. I could still describe it from the Bible as being a sin, though.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 05:55 PM   #74
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"The Right has already stood against extremes the KKK has been vilified for decades by the Right." T7 #70
You used the word "already" rather than the word "always". We're in accord on that.

"Vilified for decades"?
We're decades into the new Millennium.

Please don't waste our time telling us there were Dems. in the KKK.
Who disputes it?

Do you dispute there were Republicans there too?

Care to volunteer the ratio of Republicans to Democrats in the KKK in the 1940's & 1950's?
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Thank god the bastion of honesty and moral uprightness the Republicans nominated won the vote.

- oh -

Wait.

The Pu$$y-grabber in chief didn't actually win the vote. He won the election.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 05:56 PM   #75
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Do you eat shrimp ? lobster ? pork ribs ? How many types of fiber are in the clothes you're wearing ? Ever planted a garden with different veggies all next to each other ? Ever washed the car, mowed the lawn or had to work on Sunday ? Even if you don't work what about the fire, police, power company employees that have to work ? ALL serious sins according to the bible ! How many of them do you routinely ignore ?? How many do you feel are no longer valid ?
Well, a serious study of the Bible shows that certain of the Old Testament laws are no longer valid for today. For instance, Noah, along with his family, was told to build an ark. Do you think the command to build an ark would apply to all followers of God up to today? No. It was given to a particular group of people. The same situation applies to the commands about shrimp and clothing fibers. Those commands were given to a particular group of people, not to all followers of God for all time.
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Well, a serious study of the Bible shows that certain of the Old Testament laws are no longer valid for today. For instance, Noah, along with his family, was told to build an ark. Do you think the command to build an ark would apply to all followers of God up to today? No. It was given to a particular group of people. The same situation applies to the commands about shrimp and clothing fibers. Those commands were given to a particular group of people, not to all followers of God for all time.

God didn't tell EVERYBODY to build and ark, JUST Noah, so sorry that's an invalid argument. I'm no biblical scholar, but I haven't seen where those laws were repealed.

But you just proved the point I was making. YOU and many many like you, have decided that certain laws no longer apply to today's society, yet believe that other laws from the same book/group/era are STILL valid today ??

When discussing homosexuality please don't quote Leviticus then turn around and tell me eating a nice grilled lobster after working half a day on Sunday is no longer a sin.
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Well, a serious study of the Bible shows that certain of the Old Testament laws are no longer valid for today. For instance, Noah, along with his family, was told to build an ark. Do you think the command to build an ark would apply to all followers of God up to today? No. It was given to a particular group of people. The same situation applies to the commands about shrimp and clothing fibers. Those commands were given to a particular group of people, not to all followers of God for all time.
With the greatest of respect for your concerns, I would like to turn to Proverbs 6:

There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes,
(as I see it, "arrogance")
a lying tongue, (deceivers)
hands that shed innocent blood, (murderers)
a heart that devises wicked schemes, (plotters who scheme to bring harm to others)
feet that are quick to rush into evil, (those who jump at the chance to do harm)
a false witness who pours out lies (slanderers)
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community. (deliberate dividers who detest peace)

By my observation homosexuality per se is not on this list. These are sins of the heart. As I said earlier, the judgement of Sodom came not because they were gay, but because they were evil.
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With the greatest of respect for your concerns, I would like to turn to Proverbs 6:

There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes,
(as I see it, "arrogance")
a lying tongue, (deceivers)
hands that shed innocent blood, (murderers)
a heart that devises wicked schemes, (plotters who scheme to bring harm to others)
feet that are quick to rush into evil, (those who jump at the chance to do harm)
a false witness who pours out lies (slanderers)
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community. (deliberate dividers who detest peace)

By my observation homosexuality per se is not on this list. These are sins of the heart. As I said earlier, the judgement of Sodom came not because they were gay, but because they were evil.

And all of that can be boiled down to one simple rule.

Treat others as you want to be treated !
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With the greatest of respect for your concerns, I would like to turn to Proverbs 6:

There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes,
(as I see it, "arrogance")
a lying tongue, (deceivers)
hands that shed innocent blood, (murderers)
a heart that devises wicked schemes, (plotters who scheme to bring harm to others)
feet that are quick to rush into evil, (those who jump at the chance to do harm)
a false witness who pours out lies (slanderers)
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community. (deliberate dividers who detest peace)

By my observation homosexuality per se is not on this list. These are sins of the heart. As I said earlier, the judgement of Sodom came not because they were gay, but because they were evil.
Bitterness is not in that list either, and neither is cheating on your wife. Yet the Bible describes both of those as sins. Are you thinking that that list from a book of poetry is the only definitive word on what God considers to be sinful? If not, then I'm not catching your point in posting it.
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Old September 5th, 2017, 08:40 PM   #80
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God didn't tell EVERYBODY to build and ark, JUST Noah, so sorry that's an invalid argument. I'm no biblical scholar, but I haven't seen where those laws were repealed.
And God didn't tell everyone to keep the Law, just the Israelites. The New Testament tells us in Galatians 3:23-26 that those who have faith in Christ, that is, Christians, are not under the guardianship of the law. The law only applied to Israel until Christ came.
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,
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