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Old September 8th, 2017, 06:35 PM   #21
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I think Paul Ryan's days are numbered as Speaker of the House.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 08:15 PM   #22
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I think Paul Ryan's days are numbered as Speaker of the House.
On that, we agree Cacon. Ryan is in the same position that Boehner found himself. He has to toe a line that is unclear to him. Not an enviable spot to find oneself!
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Old September 9th, 2017, 06:38 AM   #23
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I am sure Trump can read the writing on the wall. Here is how the debt limit scenarios always go with the RINOs. Step one debt ceiling approaches. Step two the RINOs threaten to hold the balancing of the budget line and allow the steps of what happens when we run out of money. Step three the RINOS give in and raise the debt ceiling without getting any cuts done and looking like fools along the way.

Over and over this is what happens. Yes Republican voters are angry about it but it is not Trump they are angry about. It is the RINOs who do this over and over. I am sure Trump said to himself "If the RINOs will do nothing I will make a quick deal and look good in the eyes of voters over what was inevitable anyway".
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I am sure Trump can read the writing on the wall. Here is how the debt limit scenarios always go with the RINOs. Step one debt ceiling approaches. Step two the RINOs threaten to hold the balancing of the budget line and allow the steps of what happens when we run out of money. Step three the RINOS give in and raise the debt ceiling without getting any cuts done and looking like fools along the way.

Over and over this is what happens. Yes Republican voters are angry about it but it is not Trump they are angry about. It is the RINOs who do this over and over. I am sure Trump said to himself "If the RINOs will do nothing I will make a quick deal and look good in the eyes of voters over what was inevitable anyway".
Chump jumped at the opportunity to raise the debt ceiling and then joined Pelosi in calling for getting rid of the debt ceiling altogether. You are hopelessly uninformed.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 08:45 AM   #25
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Do you ever read what you write?

Please quote the Constitutional article and section which designates a U.S. federal debt limit.

And if it is indeed a Constitutional requirement, please explain why congress doesn't merely designate the next limit as $infinity, and be done with it.

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I'm a deficit hawk. President titan would insure budget surpluses were run, so the principle on the U.S. federal debt could be paid down, & then paid off.

The debt limit isn't doing that.
And the Republicans are in an IDEAL situation to do an end-run around their politically treacherous president, and SOLVE THIS PROBLEM FOR PERPETUITY.
I never said it was a constitutional requirement.
But Congress has to authorize borrowing or it can't take place, you do understand that.
It used to be that congress would authorize the borrowing to fund each bill separately, including the interest rate, the term and the design of the bond.
The debt ceiling was a way to consolidate the process for all that borrowing into a simple package, it's meant to expedite the process, to make it easier.
It was never intended to limit the debt, it was always raised without much debate, by lopsided bipartisan votes, until it was weaponized by the GOP, to use as a club to get concessions they could never get otherwise.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 09:23 AM   #26
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I am sure Trump can read the writing on the wall. Here is how the debt limit scenarios always go with the RINOs. Step one debt ceiling approaches. Step two the RINOs threaten to hold the balancing of the budget line and allow the steps of what happens when we run out of money. Step three the RINOS give in and raise the debt ceiling without getting any cuts done and looking like fools along the way.

Over and over this is what happens. Yes Republican voters are angry about it but it is not Trump they are angry about. It is the RINOs who do this over and over. I am sure Trump said to himself "If the RINOs will do nothing I will make a quick deal and look good in the eyes of voters over what was inevitable anyway".
And that is why I have said many times that the Republicans have more to fear from within their own party than they have to fear from the Democrats! It's the Mafia's Castellamare Wars writ large.
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Do you ever read what you write?

Please quote the Constitutional article and section which designates a U.S. federal debt limit.

And if it is indeed a Constitutional requirement, please explain why congress doesn't merely designate the next limit as $infinity, and be done with it.

LOOKIT !!

I'm a deficit hawk. President titan would insure budget surpluses were run, so the principle on the U.S. federal debt could be paid down, & then paid off.

The debt limit isn't doing that.
And the Republicans are in an IDEAL situation to do an end-run around their politically treacherous president, and SOLVE THIS PROBLEM FOR PERPETUITY.
What debt limit? The Federal government knows no debt limit. Tax and spend is all they know.
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