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Old September 7th, 2017, 05:06 AM   #1
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Nobody Knows What Trump Is Doing. Not Even Trump.

Nobody Knows What Trump Is Doing. Not Even Trump.


House Speaker Paul Ryan could not have been more clear.

After meeting with his Republican caucus Wednesday morning on the first day back from their long summer break, he declared at a news conference that Democrats’ call for a three-month extension of the government’s borrowing limit was “ridiculous.”

“That’s ridiculous and disgraceful, that they want to play politics with the debt ceiling at this moment,” he repeated. He called it “unworkable,” said it would jeopardize hurricane response and called out Democratic leaders by name for promoting what “I don’t think is a good idea.”

About an hour later, Ryan and other GOP leaders sat in the White House with President Trump, who told them he wants . . . a three-month increase of the debt ceiling, just as Democrats proposed.

Such chaos and confusion at the highest level of American government hadn’t been seen since, well, the day before.

On Tuesday, even as the administration announced that it was ending protection from deportation for the 800,000 “dreamers” — mostly young people who know no country but America — there were signs that Trump had no idea what he was doing. “As late as one hour before the decision was to be announced, administration officials privately expressed concern that Mr. Trump might not fully grasp the details of the steps he was about to take, and when he discovered their full impact, would change his mind,” Michael Shear and Julie Hirschfeld Davis of the New York Times reported, citing an anonymous source.

Sure enough, Trump fired off a tweet Tuesday night that revised his position. He called on Congress to “legalize” the dreamers program and vowed to “revisit the issue” if Congress can’t.

Even Trump’s close advisers seem to have little knowledge of, much less control over, what he says and does.

Trump has signaled that he wants to end a free-trade deal with South Korea, even though his national security adviser, his defense secretary and the director of the National Economic Council all object. He and Defense Secretary James Mattis have contradicted each other about whether to talk with North Korea. Chief of Staff John Kelly’s attempts to tone down Trump’s antics have reportedly led Trump to escalate his attacks — on Kelly. Trump has publicly criticized Attorney General Jeff Sessions and repeatedly contradicted Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. Ivanka Trump and husband Jared Kushner have let it leak that Trump ignored their advice on Charlottesville and other matters.

One imagines a future scene in the Situation Room:

The president: Why don’t we bomb Guam so the North Koreans can’t?

The secretary of state: That’s part of our country, sir.

The secretary of defense: We have thousands of troops there.

The national security adviser: And 150,000 innocent civilians.

The chief of staff: It would be a humanitarian and strategic catastrophe.

Ivanka Trump: Please don’t do this, Dad.

Jared Kushner: [Silence.]

The president: It’s settled. We begin bombing in five minutes. Let’s hit Hawaii, too. But not my hotel in Waikiki.

The unreliability of Trump has put an unusual burden on Congress, which is ill equipped to bear it.

Outside the House caucus gathering the morning after Trump’s immigration announcement, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), an immigration hard-liner, angrily opposed legislative action for the dreamers, saying they can “live in the shadows” and demanding GOP leaders not “divide our conference over an amnesty act.”

Minutes later, Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.), took the opposite view, threatening to use a “discharge petition” with Democrats to force a vote on protecting the dreamers if the House doesn’t act.

Ryan put the responsibility right back on Trump for the DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) legislation. “We will not be advancing legislation that does not have the support of President Trump, because we’re going to work with the president on how to do this legislation,” he said. Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) urged Trump to lead.

But what does Trump support?

“We love the dreamers. . . . We think the dreamers are terrific,” Trump said last week, four days before putting them in jeopardy of deportation.

“I have a great heart for the folks we are talking about, a great love for them,” Trump said on the same day his administration announced the end of protection for the dreamers.

What does the president want? Nobody knows — not his advisers, not his fellow Republicans in Congress, and probably not Trump himself.

by Dana Milbank

Is there anything that will penetrate the bubbles that the Trumpeteers live in to make them understand they are supporting and cheering and endorsing an absolute mad man?
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Old September 7th, 2017, 05:29 AM   #2
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Nobody Knows What Trump Is Doing. Not Even Trump.


House Speaker Paul Ryan could not have been more clear.

After meeting with his Republican caucus Wednesday morning on the first day back from their long summer break, he declared at a news conference that Democrats’ call for a three-month extension of the government’s borrowing limit was “ridiculous.”

“That’s ridiculous and disgraceful, that they want to play politics with the debt ceiling at this moment,” he repeated. He called it “unworkable,” said it would jeopardize hurricane response and called out Democratic leaders by name for promoting what “I don’t think is a good idea.”

About an hour later, Ryan and other GOP leaders sat in the White House with President Trump, who told them he wants . . . a three-month increase of the debt ceiling, just as Democrats proposed.

Such chaos and confusion at the highest level of American government hadn’t been seen since, well, the day before.

On Tuesday, even as the administration announced that it was ending protection from deportation for the 800,000 “dreamers” — mostly young people who know no country but America — there were signs that Trump had no idea what he was doing. “As late as one hour before the decision was to be announced, administration officials privately expressed concern that Mr. Trump might not fully grasp the details of the steps he was about to take, and when he discovered their full impact, would change his mind,” Michael Shear and Julie Hirschfeld Davis of the New York Times reported, citing an anonymous source.

Sure enough, Trump fired off a tweet Tuesday night that revised his position. He called on Congress to “legalize” the dreamers program and vowed to “revisit the issue” if Congress can’t.

Even Trump’s close advisers seem to have little knowledge of, much less control over, what he says and does.

Trump has signaled that he wants to end a free-trade deal with South Korea, even though his national security adviser, his defense secretary and the director of the National Economic Council all object. He and Defense Secretary James Mattis have contradicted each other about whether to talk with North Korea. Chief of Staff John Kelly’s attempts to tone down Trump’s antics have reportedly led Trump to escalate his attacks — on Kelly. Trump has publicly criticized Attorney General Jeff Sessions and repeatedly contradicted Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. Ivanka Trump and husband Jared Kushner have let it leak that Trump ignored their advice on Charlottesville and other matters.

One imagines a future scene in the Situation Room:

The president: Why don’t we bomb Guam so the North Koreans can’t?

The secretary of state: That’s part of our country, sir.

The secretary of defense: We have thousands of troops there.

The national security adviser: And 150,000 innocent civilians.

The chief of staff: It would be a humanitarian and strategic catastrophe.

Ivanka Trump: Please don’t do this, Dad.

Jared Kushner: [Silence.]

The president: It’s settled. We begin bombing in five minutes. Let’s hit Hawaii, too. But not my hotel in Waikiki.

The unreliability of Trump has put an unusual burden on Congress, which is ill equipped to bear it.

Outside the House caucus gathering the morning after Trump’s immigration announcement, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), an immigration hard-liner, angrily opposed legislative action for the dreamers, saying they can “live in the shadows” and demanding GOP leaders not “divide our conference over an amnesty act.”

Minutes later, Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.), took the opposite view, threatening to use a “discharge petition” with Democrats to force a vote on protecting the dreamers if the House doesn’t act.

Ryan put the responsibility right back on Trump for the DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) legislation. “We will not be advancing legislation that does not have the support of President Trump, because we’re going to work with the president on how to do this legislation,” he said. Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) urged Trump to lead.

But what does Trump support?

“We love the dreamers. . . . We think the dreamers are terrific,” Trump said last week, four days before putting them in jeopardy of deportation.

“I have a great heart for the folks we are talking about, a great love for them,” Trump said on the same day his administration announced the end of protection for the dreamers.

What does the president want? Nobody knows — not his advisers, not his fellow Republicans in Congress, and probably not Trump himself.

by Dana Milbank

Is there anything that will penetrate the bubbles that the Trumpeteers live in to make them understand they are supporting and cheering and endorsing an absolute mad man?
Trump is our President, like it or not. Trump wears a ball cap to cover up his horns.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 05:42 AM   #3
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Trump wear a ball cap to keep his hair glued down.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 07:35 AM   #4
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Trump has hair?
How can you tell when he's always got that rodent on his head?

Thanks for the broader topic tr.
Many pundits have tried to make sense of Trump's bizarre behavior.

An explanation I heard this morning:
premised on his book title: The Art Of The Deal

It's singular. Not plural: "deals" or "dealing".

Thus:
Trump is a checkers player, not a chess player.

Trump doesn't have a long-term strategy.
As a result bashes his Republican congressional leadership AND PARTY by jumping party lines to betray Republicans by making a deal (The Art Of The Deal) w/ Pelosi (D) & Schumer (D), which will force the Republicans to raise the debt ceiling yet once again, during the mid-term election cycle.

Another comment explaining Trump's approach to his office:

"ratings, not results".

Is there a more lucid explanation?
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Old September 7th, 2017, 09:11 AM   #5
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This view from the Axios AM roundup.

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1 big thing: GOP leaders furious at Trump

Inside Trump's head-scratching deal ... Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is perplexed, with no idea what President Trump thinks he was gaining.

In fact, McConnell rather doubts the president has a strategy, a close source tells me.
House Speaker Paul Ryan is furious, according to a person very close to him.

Both felt blindsided by Trump's stunning decision yesterday to abruptly side with "Chuck and Nancy," as he chummily called the Democratic leaders, in a deal to avert a government shutdown Sept. 30 — at the price of reviving the politically painful issue right before the 2018 elections.

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Trump "brazenly rolled his own party's leaders," as AP put it. Plus his own Treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin — in front of leaders of both parties.

Why it matters: Tax reform is now less likely, with trust ruptured between Trump and Republican Hill leaders. Democrats are more likely to flip the House in 2018: Republicans have less than ever to show their voters.

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The hostility that Republicans on the Hill feel towards Trump deepened.

One senior GOP official, summing up the day: "He f----d us."

A prominent Midwestern GOP operative emails me: "Democrats got more done in a single Oval Office visit in one afternoon than the congressional Republicans have achieved all years."
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Is it any wonder, after reading that post, that reasonable people are not buying into the Liberal rhetoric.
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Is it any wonder, after reading that post, that reasonable people are not buying into the Liberal rhetoric.
Please point out the errors.
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well, caconservative, you added so much to enrich and progress the issue being discussed
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This is my favorite sentence: Such chaos and confusion at the highest level of American government hadn’t been seen since, well, the day before.
Hilarious!

I don't know about you, but all I want for my family (actually I've ever wanted) is peace, simplicity, good neighbors, education, home and hearth. Chaos and confusion? FROM the supposed BEST the nation had to offer?

That sentence reminded once again why I did not vote for Trump. He's a walking, talking hot mess. In fact he's a big fat ball of disorderly conduct. Mayhem follows him. Pandemonium whispers in his ear. Randomness taps him on the shoulder.

While Trump is president we the people will not have a single peaceful day. We will never feel secure or protected while he is in office. Every single STINKIN' day there's one more "THING"....then one more....then one more. It's pretty hard on the Hilly gang but I actually feel worse for the Republicans (like so many friends of mine) who said/thought
'how bad could it be'.....'Trump will pick good advisors and they will help him'......'he just needs more time to adjust'.
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Old September 7th, 2017, 11:21 AM   #10
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I think trump knows exactly what he is doing.

DACA was unconstitutional and was going to be challenged by a dozen states, and would be overturned and the DACA children would have been immediately deported.

so what did Trump do, end DACA with a 6 month grace period (you guys know what GRACE is don't you) and instructed Congress do it right.

Give me a DACA that includes the wall.. we have a deal.
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