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Old September 9th, 2017, 02:00 PM   #31
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That is the point, besides Charlottesville these have been free speech rallies and the majority of right leaning people have NOT been from one of those groups yet violent, masked leftists showed up maliciously to all of the events.

Their purpose is to shut down events that go against the regressive lefts narrative.


If both groups would just sit on opposite sides of the street and yelled at each other but that is not the case. Ben Shapiro is speaking at Berkeley next week. They have charged an additional $15k in security fees and shut down a number of additional buildingdps because of threats by antifa and BAMN and history of the violent left in that area. Furthermore they have made it difficult to obtain tickets and I believe have only released 1/3 of the agreed upon tickets. Is this because Ben Shapiro is a nazi, from the KKK or is it because they do not agree w/ his POV and want him silenced.
Your false equivalency efforts have failed miserably. Try living in a fact based world.

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As the Anti-Defamation League noted in a new report, “A Dark & Constant Rage: 25 Years of Right-Wing Terrorism in the United States,” the United States has experienced a long string of terrorist incidents, with many connected not to Islamist terrorists but to right-wing extremists.

The findings were startling.

The ADL analyzed 150 terrorist acts in the United States that were committed, attempted or plotted by right-wing extremists. “More than 800 people were killed or injured in these attacks,” the ADL said, noting that the attacks “surged during the mid-to-late 1990s and again starting in 2009” — the beginning of Barack Obama’s presidency.



They also looked at other acts of violence and determined that “from 2007 to 2016, a range of domestic extremists of all kinds were responsible for the deaths of at least 372 people across the country. Seventy-four percent of these murders came at the hands of right-wing extremists such as white supremacists, sovereign citizens and militia adherents.”

And, reported the ADL, the hate and terror mongers choose their marks carefully: Jews, Muslims and — the most common racial target — African Americans.
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Thanks for an outstanding example of hatred and bigotry. The misogyny icing was a nice touch.
The truth has always been difficult to accept by many.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 01:27 AM   #33
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Thanks for an outstanding example of hatred and bigotry. The misorgyny icing was a nice touch.
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The truth has always been difficult to accept by many.
You mean like the way you rightwingnut reality deniers refuse to accept the scientifically confirmed truth of human caused global warming?

You certainly can't be referring to your post #22 - the one imaginethat was responding to - which consisted entirely of insane gobbledegook without even a smidgen of "truth" in it! Too bad you are so extremely confused.
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If you have a dog and you mistreat it, when you get careless, get too close, turn your back or what ever, is it REALLY the dog's fault when he tears you to shreds ??? Is his hatred and bigotry not justified ??

You seem to be saying that no matter how unjustly someone has been treated, they should never feel anger or malice towards the people that mistreated them. Rather ironic coming from someone whose avatar, though fictional, killed a whole bunch of people because they were using violence to enforce their own hatred and bigotry.

Are you saying you NEVER get angry ?? Are you saying you have no negative feelings towards anyone ??

Welcome to the board Jesus !! I wasn't aware you had returned, weren't you supposed ti bring Armageddon with you this trip ??
Oh look how clever he thinks he is, how cute. Once again hatred and bigotry do not justify hatred and bigotry.
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I DON'T love the ignorance of people who think that "hatred and bigotry" includes intolerance of hatred and bigotry!

Geesh. We learned how stupid that crap was in 7th grade when we read "1984" and learned about NewSpeak and DoubleSpeak!
So one only needs to be "tolerant" of those things that do not offend them.
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[1.the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with:
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Then do your best to not add to it.
You saying that is quite funny sir
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My observation stands despite your emotional outburst.
Hysteria at it's finest that one!
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I DON'T love the ignorance of people who think that "hatred and bigotry" includes intolerance of hatred and bigotry!

Geesh. We learned how stupid that crap was in 7th grade when we read "1984" and learned about NewSpeak and DoubleSpeak!
Is my belief that Homosexuality is wrong according to God hatred, and bigotry? Is it intolerance?
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Your false equivalency efforts have failed miserably. Try living in a fact based world.



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And the ADL is neutral right, no bias?
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A Candid Letter to My Evangelical Parents, After Trump.

Free the Angel, 30"x48" oil on paper by Julie Ruth


Sit down for a moment. I have a story to tell you.

A little girl grew up among family who loved her fiercely — she could feel that from day one. She was lucky.

A sister, then a brother, joined her. She loved her aunts, uncles, grandmas, grannies, grandpas and cousins. She lived to spend summer days outside with her cats. Her favorite place in the world was the turquoise trailer in Apopka, Florida, where Grandma Thelma and Grandpa Tarz awaited with open arms each winter. She lived in a bubble of love, safe from the outside world.

But as she grew, the bubble she was ensconced in started worrying her and became constrictive. By the age of five, she began to feel trapped. Thankfully, she learned to read. This is what ultimately helped her save herself, years later, when everything was counting on it.

Always proud to be called “Daddy’s girl”, she would do anything to please her Dad. No girl could have asked for a better one. Days spent tagging along in the woodshop, on trips to the hardware store, building something in the garage, rounding up the kitties for dinnertime. These were the best of days.

Sundays were different.

On Sundays, a grim line was drawn that divided people. Men from women, boys from girls, divorced men from never-divorced men. Believers from non-believers. The explanations of the world handed down on Sundays were succinct and brief, spotted with absolute expectations and judgements.

For some, this strict belief system seemed to work and satisfy the place deep within us all that longs for meaning and purpose. She saw that, and accepted it. For others, it represented a gaping black hole void of light and life. For a kid like her who saw the world in color, it was far too black-and-white.

Everywhere she turned, she found no escape from the theology prevalent in her community. It was simply variations on a theme—at school, at practice, at work, at family reunions. She knew there was no place for her in the theology. She was a girl, after all. She resented the fact that the theology required a willful shut-down of critical thinking. She was curious about the rest of the world—about other countries, science and art. She did not want to let go of these discoveries she had made through school and books. They were air and water to her. She did not want to grow up and enter a future she could already trace the edges of with her fingertips.

For a while, she was able to maintain a safe distance and kept herself whole. She learned to separate her true self to keep it intact and play along. She knew that she had a better chance at survival if she skated by on the surface. As she neared 18, the pressure to conform mounted tremendously. Against her own better judgement, she decided to give in and see if the life her family and church desired for her would work.

In Jeremy, she found someone whose spirit of adventure matched hers. She thought she could be her true self with him. But, she was ultimately too young and so wrong. Six months into a new marriage, at twenty years old, she knew she had made a terrible mistake.

When it came to faith, it was like trying on a coat that refused to fit. She tried and tried to make it work. She tried the coat on, tried stuffing her arms into it, tried pulling it over her head, tried cutting the sleeves off of it. Nothing worked. She was miserable, and trapped in a prison she had made herself.

On the outside, everything looked fine.

She knows this is why her abrupt act of leaving was so shocking for you. On the inside, nothing was fine. She was bound to a husband who did not respect her opinions, who wanted to fundamentally change the person she was. She had to fight for every tiny freedom—the use of the car, setting up at an art show to sell her work, wearing what she wanted to wear. She fought tooth and nail to protect what was left of her true self. She wanted to go back to school, and resigned herself to wait while he, instead, took classes and refused the same to her. To prove to her husband that she would never have children, she went off birth control for a full four years. That was the only way she could end that fight.

By the time she turned twenty-four she decided she had no way out. She was never a person with a tendency toward depression, but ending her life seemed like the only solution. In the end, she lived only for her dog, Crickitt, buoyed by the faint but persistent sense that this would end someday.

At twenty-five, when she found a safe place to land at the artist residency, she gathered what was left of her courage and did not go home. All hell broke loose. She remained standing in her truth.

You didn’t understand. I don’t blame you for that. But, I need you to hear me now when I say that it was a matter of life and death. I saved myself. It wasn’t easy to do, because I knew I was hurting people that I loved. Nearly sixteen years later, it remains the absolute best thing I have ever done.

Why am I telling you this now? Because, the time has come. I know that, once again, my distance is probably confusing to you. So, I’d like to clear it up.

It’s a very painful thing to have to hide your self, your personality, your hopes and dreams and visions of the future from your family. It’s also very painful to realize that the reason why they have no space for you as-you-are is due to their religion and nothing else. Finally, it’s painful to find yourself in a marriage where this is repeated.

I left to stand up for truth.

When I remained true to who I was, I found peace for the first time in a very, very long time. Mat came into my life. Fourteen years later, he continues to be a gift. He is long-suffering as I deal with things how I’ve always dealt with them—by over-working, and forcing myself to go-go-go from dawn to dusk.

I’m learning how to work through all of this, with consistent help from a very good female therapist here. I landed in therapy two years ago, after a triggering traumatic incident that I don’t wish to go into right now. I should have started it years ago, but therapy was one of those things that were reserved for the weak-of-heart (or so I believed when I was young).

Why the distance now?

In a nutshell, your vote for Trump. I was not expecting the tidal wave of emotion that came with his election. Specifically, your vote for him ripped open gaping wounds that had been lying surface-deep beneath a skin I thought was thicker. I am not alone with this feeling. So many of us who were raised in a similar way have experienced the very same thing since November, if their families supported him like you did.

Before you start with the usual excuses—”you’re watching fake news, you are misinformed, we’re not political people”—no, just stop.

Stop, and try to listen.

You do live in a bubble of your own making. You like it that way. The bubble doesn’t work for all of us. Those of us who live side-by-side with people who do not believe exactly like we do are living in the real, diverse, world. Your vote had huge consequences for all of us on the outside of your bubble.

That’s why I reject your assertion of being non-political. If you were, you would have refrained from voting or voted for a third-party candidate. I know many Christians who did this, and they have my total respect. The fact that you swallowed the smears and lies against his opponent and chose to turn a blind eye to his agenda which would so obviously hurt the poor, the marginalized, people of color, women…I find it absolutely impossible to match up with the faith that you profess.

This election was not like the others. Its consequences are already hitting the most vulnerable people in our country and will take years to undo. How can we stand by and let the healthcare debate rage, doing nothing, while my childhood friend Julie is fighting to save Medicaid for her disabled daughter? They will go bankrupt if it ends. How can we stand by and let hardworking kids be deported who were brought to this country by their parents, who have applied for and received acceptance into a program (DACA) that allows them to get an education, work and pay taxes here? How can we sit back while white nationalists run over peaceful protesters with their cars, and not stand up for our Jewish, Hispanic, African-American neighbors? How can we stand by and let sexual predators walk free, brushing off charges from women accusing them of rape? The last one is easy, because the president is one of them.

This is what I meant when I said your vote proved my perception of religion to be ideology over people.

You let your ideological stances—your single-issue vote for a vague hope of overturning abortion laws, your vote for a stolen conservative Supreme Court justice—you let this win out over actual living, breathing people. Your daughter is one of them.

Is it worth it? Because, the rest of the world is looking at white evangelicals like you and they’ve come to the same conclusion that I did after November 8th. Your faith might be precious to you, but you canceled out any weight it might have carried to the rest of us when you voted for this racist con-man. As the CEOs on his advisory board acted quickly to distance themselves after the Charlottesville incident, the evangelical council remain stoic and steadfast in their support of him, with the exception of one brave man.

Sure, I know you vote Republican. I grew up with each Republican president’s photo lined up under my own senior portrait in the hallway. But, this time, your party line vote went too far. That’s why I spent hard-earned money to go to Washington, D.C. to protest Trump and his disgusting treatment of women and minorities at the Women’s March. I went so I could experience the march first-hand, and I went so I could speak the truth of what happened if it were to be called a fake paid protest by Fox News. Do you want to know what it was really like? It was the largest and most peaceful crowd I have ever been in, and ultimately one of the best experiences of my entire life.

I’ll go ahead and say it: your vote for him has canceled out any right you may feel you have to proselytize your faith to me. You can no longer talk to me about Jesus, about the god you believe in. It simply doesn’t hold water any longer. I will walk out. I will not sit through saying grace in your home again. And, if you have a photo of Trump up in the hallway as a symbol of your support for him, be assured that I will not enter your home at all.

I respect you as my parents, and thank you for being loving ones. You taught me many, many valuable things — how to be fair in business, how to love one another, how to work hard, how to show love to animals, how to live a quiet and fulfilling life. I’ve taken those lessons and run with them.

When I left nearly sixteen years ago, you did not support me. It took a long time for you to come around, only after the husband I was running from encouraged you to see things a different way. This election has opened up that wound, among others.

That’s why I just need some time.

I’m trying to reconcile your vote with who I know you to be at your core. I have spent all these years over-reaching to keep our relationship going. It’s hard not to feel that I count less than the others, because I do not believe like you do, because I do not have children, because I live so far away.

I will come around in time if you are willing to hear me without judgement. I love you both, and worry about your health and your well-being constantly. I miss your companionship, but I’m not coming back anytime soon because I need to continue working through what I’ve started. But make no mistake—I am furious.

You raised a fighter for truth and justice. I will not stop fighting for the least of these. I will never again apologize for who I am, who I have always been. That almost killed me once. A long time ago, Dad, you said that I was at a crossroads. That I could choose your way and be saved, or I could continue down the path I was already on. With the second option, you said you could see that I would help others to do the same.

I chose the second option, because it’s air that allows me to breathe freely. If I can help just one see that there is light and life on the other side of indoctrination, and help them also choose life, it’s worth it to me to fight this fight.

I hope, in some small way, that makes you proud.

https://medium.com/@julieruth/a-cand...p-1ce6b7669c36
This sounds like a fairy tale to me rather than a real life experience. Beware that I read between the lines and speak more than three languages.

edit: a yo no ko pek pek ng baho. Loosely translated, I don't like stinky pussy.

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