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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:35 PM   #61
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Is it hubris to proclaim the sky is blue? I suppose not all wisdom can be imparted, it must be learnt through failure. C'est la vie.
No, but it is hubris to declare that the way you feel about family and how family affects you is some universal truth. I know many people who have recused themselves from family, or some family and are very happy with the decision.
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No, but it is hubris to declare that the way you feel about family and how family affects you is some universal truth. I know many people who have recused themselves from family, or some family and are very happy with the decision.
It's because their love is conditional. Even if it seems like it's working out for the better right now, that's not the kind of man you want to become, believe me.

A man who can't love unconditionally can't love at all. Love is sacrifice, love is giving without expecting. Without that it's not love at all, it's just an exchange of services.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:40 PM   #63
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It's because their love is conditional. Even if it seems like it's working out for the better right now, that's not the kind of man you want to become, believe me.
And you know your absolute universal truth how?
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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:49 PM   #64
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The best description of what it means to love that I've ever found. I've posted it previously, but it can't be repeated often enough.

1 Corinthians 13
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

To the world and worldly, only fools practice unconditional love.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 06:50 PM   #65
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And you know your absolute universal truth how?
There is no such thing as universal absolute truth. The world is entirely subjective. But it has pretty consistent practicalities from time to time. The truth about love, I believe, can only be understood when a man rebounds from his lowest point. Love is a key ingredient in redemption. Until a man is given it when he could very well be left alone to die in the ditch he himself dug, he takes it for granted. Only love through mercy can make a man aware of how precious a thing it is.
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I actually had a mini-version of this discussion with my parents about ten years ago. I was home for the holidays and my parents wouldn't stop ranting about Muslims and Islamic terrorists (I was shocked, because they're fairly liberal themselves).
ironically, the majority of muslim children even living in the west have a childhood pretty much exactly like the one described in this article.

but you would defend that as multiculturalism and diversity, not call it out as the blind religious intolerance that it really is.
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ironically, the majority of muslim children even living in the west have a childhood pretty much exactly like the one described in this article.

but you would defend that as multiculturalism and diversity, not call it out as the blind religious intolerance that it really is.
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ironically, the majority of muslim children even living in the west have a childhood pretty much exactly like the one described in this article.
So...you grew up as a Muslim?

Otherwise, how the hell would you know?

Your faux certainty on these topics is just another indication of how prejudiced and propagandized you are. There is actually quite a bit of diversity in opinion and practices among the 1.8 billion Muslims living in many countries around the world.




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but you would defend that as multiculturalism and diversity, not call it out as the blind religious intolerance that it really is.
Once again, you presume to speak for others when you are really just full of shit.

The blind, unthinking religious fanaticism among some Muslims that leads them to violence and terrorism (like driving cars into crowds and killing innocents) is a huge problem that almost everybody recognizes and almost nobody "defends", no matter what idiotic partisan propaganda you have moronically swallowed. The blind unthinking religious and/or political and/or racist fanaticism among American Nazis, KKKers, and White Supremacists that leads them to violence and terrorism (like driving cars into crowds and killing innocents) is also a huge problem for the normal, sane, non-fanatic majority of the population.
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you may exist, but allah says you are going to hell.

quran, sura 7:81. "Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds

Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."

why do you think homosexuality is punished by death in many islamic countries? it says to in islamic doctrine. the reason that guy is able to show that sign is because he is in a place where islamic laws are NOT enforced. try showing that sign anywhere in the world where islamic laws ARE enforced and see what happens.

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So...you grew up as a Muslim?
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Otherwise, how the hell would you know?
i can READ. i know, bizarre isnt it, but its possible to read, which means i am able to learn about the experiences of countless other people who can read and also do this amazing thing called WRITE. you see, there is a huge ammount written about, well, lots of different topics. one of those topics is what it is like to be a child in a muslim household. many accounts are along the lines of this article.

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Your faux certainty on these topics is just another indication of how prejudiced and propagandized you are.
i guarantee i know more about islam and muslims than you.

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There is actually quite a bit of diversity in opinion and practices among the 1.8 billion Muslims living in many countries around the world.
i know. there is also a lot they share. you would know that if you were informed. try reading one day.

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Once again, you presume to speak for others when you are really just full of shit.
or too close to the truth for comfort.

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The blind, unthinking religious fanaticism among some Muslims that leads them to violence and terrorism (like driving cars into crowds and killing innocents) is a huge problem that almost everybody recognizes and almost nobody "defends", no matter what idiotic partisan propaganda you have moronically swallowed. The blind unthinking religious and/or political and/or racist fanaticism among American Nazis, KKKers, and White Supremacists that leads them to violence and terrorism (like driving cars into crowds and killing innocents) is also a huge problem for the normal, sane, non-fanatic majority of the population.
two issues here,

one:

there is a fundamental difference between the violent islamic jihadis and the violent fanatical KKK, white supremacists, evangelicals. its this:

the KKK, white supremacists, evangelicals are acting in a way that is contrary to their actual religious doctrine. (they might have other doctrine, political manifestos, etc that they are following, but nothing that claims to be the word of god) they are not following their god, they are in fact acting in a manner contrary to what their god says

not the case for the islamic jihadi. they are simply following the quran, as written. they can entirely honestly and truthfully say "our god wants us to do this, says so right here, see?"

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when discussing islam, terrorism is a small issue. the overwhelming majority of islamic violence is directed towards other muslims. its husband beating their wives, sons raping their sisters, parents murdering their children, mothers cutting off daughters clitoris, and when there isnt violence there is ruthless and unrelenting oppression of free thought. and this is something moderate muslims support.
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