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Old September 12th, 2017, 06:57 PM   #71
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Yeah, threatening your family instead of having a proper argument with them and trying to convince them you're right seems like just the kind of thing you'd do.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 08:27 PM   #72
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you may exist, but allah says you are going to hell.

quran, sura 7:81. "Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds

Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done."

why do you think homosexuality is punished by death in many islamic countries? it says to in islamic doctrine. the reason that guy is able to show that sign is because he is in a place where islamic laws are NOT enforced. try showing that sign anywhere in the world where islamic laws ARE enforced and see what happens.

True, I was just pointing out some leftist irony involving their Islamic love affair.
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The blind, unthinking religious fanaticism among some Muslims that leads them to violence and terrorism (like driving cars into crowds and killing innocents) is a huge problem that almost everybody recognizes and almost nobody "defends", no matter what idiotic partisan propaganda you have moronically swallowed. The blind unthinking religious and/or political and/or racist fanaticism among American Nazis, KKKers, and White Supremacists that leads them to violence and terrorism (like driving cars into crowds and killing innocents) is also a huge problem for the normal, sane, non-fanatic majority of the population.
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two issues here,
Yeah....one - you don't know what you're talking about, and two - you're full of it.

Otherwise you are just wrong!




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one: there is a fundamental difference between the violent islamic jihadis and the violent fanatical KKK, white supremacists, evangelicals.
Nope! Not much difference at all.

It is interesting (and kind of hilarious) that when I mentioned three violent terrorist groups in America - Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists- your response substitutes "violent, fanatical evangelicals" for 'Nazis'. LOLOL. Although there are some who would probably agree with you on that point.






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its this:

the KKK, white supremacists, evangelicals are acting in a way that is contrary to their actual religious doctrine. (they might have other doctrine, political manifestos, etc that they are following, but nothing that claims to be the word of god)...
Ignorant bullshit based only on your bias towards Christianity and prejudice against Muslims.

In the real world....these are the Christian beliefs of the White Supremacists....

Christian Identity
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Christian Identity (also known as Identity Christianity) is a white separatist interpretation of Christianity which advocates the belief that Germanic peoples (including Anglo-Saxon, Nordic peoples) and people of kindred blood are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and hence the descendants of the ancient Israelites (primarily as a result of the Assyrian captivity).

CI is not an organized religion; instead, it is independently practiced by individuals, churches and some prison gangs. Its theology promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who regarded Europeans as the "chosen people" and Jews as the cursed offspring of Cain, the "serpent hybrid" or serpent seed (a belief known as the two-seedline doctrine). White supremacist sects and gangs later adopted many of these teachings.

Christian Identity dictates that all non-whites (people not of wholly European descent) on the planet will either be exterminated or enslaved (Dominion Theology) in order to serve the White race in the new Heavenly Kingdom on Earth under the reign of Jesus Christ. Its doctrine states that only "Adamic" (white people) can achieve salvation and paradise. Many adherents are Millennialist.


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they are not following their god, they are in fact acting in a manner contrary to what their god says
Wrong again, as usual. This is exactly what they believe the Bible tells them to do...."Christian Identity dictates that all non-whites (people not of wholly European descent) on the planet will either be exterminated or enslaved (Dominion Theology) in order to serve the White race in the new Heavenly Kingdom on Earth under the reign of Jesus Christ".


In the real world....these are the Christian beliefs of the KKK....

The Ku Klux Klan
Washington and Lee University
The number one source of knowledge for the Ku Klux Klan is the Holy Bible. Members of the Klan believe in the literal truth of the Bible. One KKK member once wrote, “the Klansmen pins his faith to the Bible as the revealed will of GOD.” In fact many active Klansmen were ordained ministers. In addition, the majority of the members belong to some Protestant church.[2] The religious ideals of the group could be found in ceremonies such as the Klan baptism of an eight-week-old child in 1924 by a gathering of hooded members.[3] In the early 1980’s, new religious fundamentalists used very similar rhetoric about Christian supremacy. The Reverend Bailey Smith, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention announces in 1980, “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.” He continued by adding the fact that God can’t possibly hear the prayer of someone who does not believe Jesus Christ is the true Messiah.[4] The Klan takes direct action against those who do not share its beliefs or those who it simply views as inferior based on its readings of the Bible. Klansmen recognize the differences of other groups and translate them into justification for hate.

Rituals and ceremonies are also very important and commonly used by the Ku Klux Klan. For example, an elaborate initiation ritual is carried out for new members, and the custom of wearing white robes and hoods sets the members apart from other citizens and provides for them a special identity. Cross burning is a very common practice among members of the Klan. This ritual is used mainly as a form of intimidation against those people hated by the Klan. Often the burning cross is driven into the ground and left standing where the targeted group can see it. This ritual has also been called “cross lighting”, a term used by David Duke and other Klansmen in the 1970’s to illustrate that “Christ is the light of the world.”[5]

In the Klan, rituals and ceremonies are held which help instill Klan values and beliefs in the members. However, most members already have a strong sense of white supremacist thought in their heads before they join the Klan. Ordained ministers in the Klan preach the Christian aspect of the Ku Klux Klan to members. These clergymen have been trained in the Church and added their own views to their religion to create an interpretation of the Bible that fits the creed of the Ku-Klux Klan.



As for scumbag Nazis.....

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf)
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

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The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations
Hitler's own words reveal his feelings for God, Christianity and faith. Taken from speeches made by Hitler from the 1922 to 1939.

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Quotes from Hitler's Henchmen and Nazi Sympathizers
A sample of quotes from Hitler's most powerful Nazis and sympathizers and how they felt about Christianity, Church and God.







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two:
when discussing islam, terrorism is a small issue. the overwhelming majority of islamic violence is directed towards other muslims. its husband beating their wives, sons raping their sisters, parents murdering their children, mothers cutting off daughters clitoris, and when there isnt violence there is ruthless and unrelenting oppression of free thought. and this is something moderate muslims support.
It would be hard to disagree that there are many fucked up aspects of some of the cultures that developed around the Islamic religion.....possibly even more so than the fucked up aspects of the cultures that developed around Christianity.

As with Christianity though, Islam has some very good spiritual teachings at its core, and there many good-hearted, non-violent people who are Muslim. Only fanatic Islamaphobes try to deny that and condemn them all for the actions of a minority. That's why people call misinformed Islamaphobes like yourself 'prejudiced' and 'bigoted'.
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^^^^^^

Why does the "new" guy yell so much.

Anyone remember medicine man?

At least he was creative.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 12:25 AM   #75
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^^^^^^

Why does the "new" guy yell so much.

Anyone remember medicine man?

At least he was creative.
Trying to pound some hard facts that debunk rightwingnut delusions and lies through some very thick skulls, I suppose.

Of course, what you naifs call 'yelling' is really just the usual way of formatting articles, with a larger headline and emphasized excerpts.

But, since you don't actually have the chops to even try to refute the facts, like the ones I just posted, that debunk your prejudiced based delusions and bigotry, you have to try to slime your way out with an inane and meaningless comment on the formatting, like that one. How pathetic!
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Old September 13th, 2017, 12:55 AM   #76
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Yeah....one - you don't know what you're talking about, and two - you're full of it.

Otherwise you are just wrong!
i say again, i guarantee i know more about islam and muslims than you do.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 01:03 AM   #77
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Nope! Not much difference at all.
i agree there is not much difference in terms of what they do, how they act, the slogans they throw around and the spineless way they target minorities. but this is the point:

the KKK, white supremacists, evangelicals are acting in a way that is contrary to their actual religious doctrine. (they might have other doctrine, political manifestos, etc that they are following, but nothing that claims to be the word of god) they are not following their god, they are in fact acting in a manner contrary to what their god says

not the case for the islamic jihadi. they are simply following the quran, as written. they can entirely honestly and truthfully say "our god wants us to do this, says so right here, see?"

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It is interesting (and kind of hilarious) that when I mentioned three violent terrorist groups in America - Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists- your response substitutes "violent, fanatical evangelicals" for 'Nazis'. LOLOL. Although there are some who would probably agree with you on that point.
i used the term KKK and white supremacists. i only substituted 'evangelicals' for 'nazi', because it seems a more accurate description of the situation in america. also i wanted to ensure it didnt turn into a conversation about actual nazi germany. which is what you might try to do as soon as you realise you are wrong.
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Ignorant bullshit based only on your bias towards Christianity and prejudice against Muslims.
i have never mentioned christianity or muslims.

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In the real world....these are the Christian beliefs of the White Supremacists....
what, exactly, are the beliefs of white supremacists that you imply i have mentioned?

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Christian Identity
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Christian Identity (also known as Identity Christianity) is a white separatist interpretation of Christianity which advocates the belief that Germanic peoples (including Anglo-Saxon, Nordic peoples) and people of kindred blood are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and hence the descendants of the ancient Israelites (primarily as a result of the Assyrian captivity).

CI is not an organized religion; instead, it is independently practiced by individuals, churches and some prison gangs. Its theology promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who regarded Europeans as the "chosen people" and Jews as the cursed offspring of Cain, the "serpent hybrid" or serpent seed (a belief known as the two-seedline doctrine). White supremacist sects and gangs later adopted many of these teachings.

Christian Identity dictates that all non-whites (people not of wholly European descent) on the planet will either be exterminated or enslaved (Dominion Theology) in order to serve the White race in the new Heavenly Kingdom on Earth under the reign of Jesus Christ. Its doctrine states that only "Adamic" (white people) can achieve salvation and paradise. Many adherents are Millennialist.

Wrong again, as usual. This is exactly what they believe the Bible tells them to do....Christian Identity dictates that all non-whites (people not of wholly European descent) on the planet will either be exterminated or enslaved (Dominion Theology) in order to serve the White race in the new Heavenly Kingdom on Earth under the reign of Jesus Christ.

In the real world....these are the Christian beliefs of the KKK....

The Ku Klux Klan
Washington and Lee University
The number one source of knowledge for the Ku Klux Klan is the Holy Bible. Members of the Klan believe in the literal truth of the Bible. One KKK member once wrote, “the Klansmen pins his faith to the Bible as the revealed will of GOD.” In fact many active Klansmen were ordained ministers. In addition, the majority of the members belong to some Protestant church.[2] The religious ideals of the group could be found in ceremonies such as the Klan baptism of an eight-week-old child in 1924 by a gathering of hooded members.[3] In the early 1980’s, new religious fundamentalists used very similar rhetoric about Christian supremacy. The Reverend Bailey Smith, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention announces in 1980, “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.” He continued by adding the fact that God can’t possibly hear the prayer of someone who does not believe Jesus Christ is the true Messiah.[4] The Klan takes direct action against those who do not share its beliefs or those who it simply views as inferior based on its readings of the Bible. Klansmen recognize the differences of other groups and translate them into justification for hate.

Rituals and ceremonies are also very important and commonly used by the Ku Klux Klan. For example, an elaborate initiation ritual is carried out for new members, and the custom of wearing white robes and hoods sets the members apart from other citizens and provides for them a special identity. Cross burning is a very common practice among members of the Klan. This ritual is used mainly as a form of intimidation against those people hated by the Klan. Often the burning cross is driven into the ground and left standing where the targeted group can see it. This ritual has also been called “cross lighting”, a term used by David Duke and other Klansmen in the 1970’s to illustrate that “Christ is the light of the world.”

In the Klan, rituals and ceremonies are held which help instill Klan values and beliefs in the members. However, most members already have a strong sense of white supremacist thought in their heads before they join the Klan. Ordained ministers in the Klan preach the Christian aspect of the Ku Klux Klan to members. These clergymen have been trained in the Church and added their own views to their religion to create an interpretation of the Bible that fits the creed of the Ku-Klux Klan.


As for scumbag Nazis.....

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf)
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.
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The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations
Hitler's own words reveal his feelings for God, Christianity and faith. Taken from speeches made by Hitler from the 1922 to 1939.
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Quotes from Hitler's Henchmen and Nazi Sympathizers
A sample of quotes from Hitler's most powerful Nazis and sympathizers and how they felt about Christianity, Church and God.
the belief that germanic peoples... with no evidence from doctrine to support this belief.

two authors who regarded Europeans as the "chosen people".... not the bible then.

what they believe the Bible tells them.... sure they might believe it, but the bible doesnt actually say any such thing.

trained in the Church and added their own views to their religion.... so, not the actual teachings of the religion.

I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.... again, he might believe it, but a simple reading of the words of jesus show he is wrong.
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It would be hard to disagree that there are many fucked up aspects of some of the cultures that developed around the Islamic religion.....possibly even more so than the fucked up aspects of the cultures that developed around Christianity.
thank you for something reasonable

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As with Christianity though, Islam has some very good spiritual teachings at its core,
isnt it interesting that whenever someone says something like this they do not include any actual quote, reference, any part of the actual doctrine to support the claim? and its crap. there is nothing good in islam that isnt abrogated by the evil parts.

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and there many good-hearted, non-violent people who are Muslim.
i have never mentioned muslims. but now that you bring it up, yes, absolutely, there are lots of people who define themselves as muslim who are great people. i have agreed with this comment, and made it myself, many times.

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Only fanatic Islamaphobes try to deny that and condemn them all for the actions of a minority.
which asshole has done that? that would be stupid and dishonest.

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That's why people call misinformed Islamaphobes like yourself 'prejudiced' and 'bigoted'.
except you havent actually understood or addressed a single point i have made. all you have done is talk at length about christianity and then said "some muslims are nice".

i guarantee i know more about islam and muslims than you.
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Trying to pound some hard facts that debunk rightwingnut delusions and lies through some very thick skulls, I suppose.

Of course, what you naifs call 'yelling' is really just the usual way of formatting articles, with a larger headline and emphasized excerpts.

But, since you don't actually have the chops to even try to refute the facts, like the ones I just posted, that debunk your prejudiced based delusions and bigotry, you have to try to slime your way out with an inane and meaningless comment on the formatting, like that one. How pathetic!
just for the record, i am a dedicated left winger.

also, if you would like to have a discussion about the sickness that is islamic doctrine i am very happy to be part of that. shall we take it to the religion section, under islam, lets not derail this thread any further.
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