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Old September 9th, 2017, 03:09 PM   #61
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Which branch of science or math are you astute in? You have to be able to talk the talk and walk the walk to debate me.
Excuse me? LOLOLOLOL. Are you seriously suggesting that questions of science are settled by a debate between two anonymous people on a two-bit Internet forum? That's hilarious!

If you want to debate the science, you can do it with the members of the American National Academy of Sciences and all of the other similar organizations around the world.

Scientific opinion on climate change
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The scientific consensus is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and that it is extremely likely (meaning 95% probability or higher) that this warming is predominantly caused by humans. It is likely that this mainly arises from increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as from deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels, partially offset by human caused increases in aerosols; natural changes had little effect.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on global warming. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points. The last national or international scientific body to drop dissent was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2000 updated its statement to its current non-committal position.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 03:54 PM   #62
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Excuse me? LOLOLOLOL. Are you seriously suggesting that questions of science are settled by a debate between two anonymous people on a two-bit Internet forum? That's hilarious!

If you want to debate the science, you can do it with the members of the American National Academy of Sciences and all of the other similar organizations around the world.

Scientific opinion on climate change
Wikipedia - the Free Encyclopedia

The scientific consensus is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and that it is extremely likely (meaning 95% probability or higher) that this warming is predominantly caused by humans. It is likely that this mainly arises from increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as from deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels, partially offset by human caused increases in aerosols; natural changes had little effect.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on global warming. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points. The last national or international scientific body to drop dissent was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2000 updated its statement to its current non-committal position.
I was merely asking what is your background in science and math using a vicious pen since you insult people for no reason at all. Anything less than a double blind study is less than unacceptable.

If not impertinent to ask, what is your discipline?
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Old September 9th, 2017, 05:19 PM   #63
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Yes that was supposed to have happened already.
Nope! That's just some bullshit myth your fossil fuel industry puppet-masters fed you.

In the real world, what is happening now due to global warming is actually occurring sooner and faster than was predicted by the consensus of climate scientists decades ago.

Climate Change Faster Than Predicted
Scientific American
November 9, 2012

Climate Change Is Happening Faster Than We Thought, According To Scientists
InsideClimate News
March 23, 2016

WMO: Global Warming Happening Faster Than Predicted
Voice of America News
July 21, 2016

Earth's oceans are warming 13% faster than thought, and accelerating
The Guardian
10 March 2017

Climate Change Altering the Arctic Faster Than Expected
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April 25th, 2017






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Those predictions of coastal areas underwater by today have been rendered bull shit already.
"Those predictions"??? Which predictions? Made when? Go ahead and cite them if you can, you poor delusional denier cult dupe. And you can't because they only exist in the mythology of your crackpot cult of reality denial.

In the real world, sea levels ARE rising, numbnuts, and the rate of rise is accelerating. That's a fact. Your clueless comment renders your claim to know anything about this subject utter bullshit already.

Flooding of Coast, Caused by Global Warming, Has Already Begun
Scientists’ warnings that the rise of the sea would eventually
imperil the United States’ coastline are no longer theoretical.

The New York Times
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People in the government just want to impose an international tax that they control. You are the sheep.
The crackpot conspiracy theories that your deranged cult of reality denial tries to push are ludicrously insane and ridiculous. You must be retarded.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #64
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Excuse me? LOLOLOLOL. Are you seriously suggesting that questions of science are settled by a debate between two anonymous people on a two-bit Internet forum? That's hilarious!

If you want to debate the science, you can do it with the members of the American National Academy of Sciences and all of the other similar organizations around the world.

Scientific opinion on climate change
Wikipedia - the Free Encyclopedia

The scientific consensus is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and that it is extremely likely (meaning 95% probability or higher) that this warming is predominantly caused by humans. It is likely that this mainly arises from increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as from deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels, partially offset by human caused increases in aerosols; natural changes had little effect.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on global warming. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points. The last national or international scientific body to drop dissent was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2000 updated its statement to its current non-committal position.
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Anything less than a double blind study is less than unacceptable.
In regard to climate science, your statement is meaninglessly ridiculous and rather insane. So much for your claim to be a science and math hotshot. LOLOLOLOL.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 10:55 AM   #65
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You are delusional. Science is supposed to adhere to open peer review. What is going on is dogma not science.

You think we are supposed to spend a trillion dollars a year. (that is what is recommended) in order to (allegedly) reduce the temperature by a fraction of a degree over decades. It is folly and stupidity.
And, what evidence do you have for that assertion? Back in the 90's...when it first became apparent that the petro lobby was going to start a full court propaganda press to disinform the public, the #1 claim was increasing sunspots (evidence of higher solar activity) was causing the planet to warm. Not that a brief analysis of HOW the atmosphere was warming couldn't swat that vacuous claim down, but during the last 10 to 15 years, solar activity has been extremely low..and according to past denier claims, the planet should be entering a mini-ice age again as happened mostly to Europe during the 16th century....so where is it?
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They are fucking communists hi-jacking anarchy.
I wish! I don't trust Bezos World News for any subject, but rigthwingworld will attack WaPo for their adherence to globalization/but spread their crap against common enemies like Anti-Fa. If WaPo was promoting Anti-Fa...that's when I'd be concerned about being infiltrated! Reminds me of a line from an old time member of the Communist Party USA, who claimed that the only reason why the Party continued getting new members and donations in the 60's and 70's was because of all of the FBI and CIA agents given the job of infiltrating the organization.

If these anarchist groups like Anti-Fa and Black Bloc want to keep a loose cell organizing structure to limit state police infiltration, they're just being smart, since these are groups that want to reserve the right to resist state violence and violence from irregular, tacitly supported fascist groups (like in Charlottesville), they are damn well aware of what happened to the Black Panthers, AIM, The Young Lords etc., after the FBI's COINTELPRO files were broken in to and released to the public.

Epoch Times piece is rehashing old news...and just like in America, there were more CIA and allied secret service agents in the radical communist groups in West Germany, France and Italy than there were Soviet and East German agents. If the East really had control, then the Baader-Meinhoff Gang wouldn't have repudiated them as "counter-revolutionaries." Pretty damn obvious that these groups were allowed by the state actors to flourish and dodge custody, in spite of terrorist attacks, assassinations and kidnappings all over Europe until they finally got sick of them and hung them out to dry when they carried out a hostage-taking at the German embassy in Somalia. After it was all over, information leaked or released by governments across Europe, show us that these leftwing gangs were supported in each of the three nations by host governments to discredit popular socialist and communist parties in the west, and keep them on their heels deploring violence and cooperating with state security officials. If you're really interested, the game is many times more convoluted and duplicitous than can fit on a typical rightwing bumper sticker slogan!

So, I'm sure disillusioned millennials...who see nothing in their future other than $thousands in college debts, are looking at the past to try to figure out how to rebuild a modern left alternative and stop fascists from becoming the next and natural stage of the capitalist systems that are spiraling downward in the desperate search for more profits. I hope they can navigate a pathway that is and will be littered with state-sponsored spies and agitators..intending to discredit their organizations with a multitude of tactics, which if anything have become more effective in our era where virtually all online information can be hoovered up and deposited at the giant NSA server farm in Bluffdale Utah, to be accessed and examined at any time in the future. For that reason, whenever there are terrorists and drug gangs operating we're told, outside the law and jurisdiction of any nation...I call BULLSHIT. It may have been possible decades ago...but not now in the age of 24/7 surveillance! Any group that threatens the power of the state...whether peaceful or not, is an ongoing subject of infiltration, and can only defend itself by having a groundswell of support from the common people who are being increasingly impoverished by the capitalist class. If there is a path to victory for the working class, it's only through having solidarity around common principles and uniting for common purpose.

One final point I want to make, is that some of the pushback...which is coming from the respectable liberal class (like Jeff Bezos) telling the left that they must always be peaceable and non-confrontational at any cost, need to take a hard look at the past and what was said about peace activists, like Martin Luther King..whom the FBI called "the most dangerous man in America" and lined him up for an assassin's bullet in 1968! Hoover wasn't scared of Elijah Muhammed or the Nation of Islam..who called white people "white devils" and advocated black separatism...NO, it was MLK and his peace marches against segregation, poverty and the Vietnam War that made him public enemy number one. All of today's pacifists who want to work within the parameters of state-allowed protest need to remember that!
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You poor pathetic people....I was listening to Rush when he said this.....and like usual....the media made up a bunch of bullshit
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And, what evidence do you have for that assertion? Back in the 90's...when it first became apparent that the petro lobby was going to start a full court propaganda press to disinform the public, the #1 claim was increasing sunspots (evidence of higher solar activity) was causing the planet to warm. Not that a brief analysis of HOW the atmosphere was warming couldn't swat that vacuous claim down, but during the last 10 to 15 years, solar activity has been extremely low..and according to past denier claims, the planet should be entering a mini-ice age again as happened mostly to Europe during the 16th century....so where is it?
No scientists state that we are due to enter an ice age. Not a mini-ice age. You are mixed up. The question you may be eluding to is why did the earth have the "little ice age? in the middle ages? That is the question. Then the next question is why did the earth heat up after that? What caused this global warming given that the industrial age would not happen for several centuries yet? Liberals avoid this question like the plague. As you will do now.

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In regard to climate science, your statement is meaninglessly ridiculous and rather insane. So much for your claim to be a science and math hotshot. LOLOLOLOL.
A little clue for ya, TS often speaks tongue firmly in cheek. He's a master at "uncloaking" people.
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No scientists state that we are due to enter an ice age. Not a mini-ice age. You are mixed up. The question you may be eluding to is why did the earth have the "little ice age? in the middle ages? That is the question. Then the next question is why did the earth heat up after that? What caused this global warming given that the industrial age would not happen for several centuries yet? Liberals avoid this question like the plague. As you will do now.
First off, your opening sentence makes no sense! Is it missing a comma or something?
Second, historic and paleo-analysis of past climate events hinges on tree ring and ice-core analysis, and what can be discerned from examining past layers of rock to determine atmospheric contents of the time. But, of course geologic analysis can never be as accurate as ice core...which can only be done as far back as 800,000 years in the Antarctic, because of compression.

So, any time we're talking about what happened in the past, the degree of uncertainty ranges higher. There is even some debate among a few dissenting climatologists that the Medieval Warming and following Little Ice Age were global events, because tree ring analysis of the west coast of North America and East Asis, indicate that the Pacific may have been heating and cooling much differently than what was happening in the Atlantic.

That aside-- according to the few historical records of analysis of sunspot activity, early astronomers like Galileo, were recording the decline and in some years, disappearance of sunspots altogether! So, the most likely explanation of Medieval Warming and Little Ice Age are a long period of higher solar activity, followed by a lower period of solar output. But, that cannot be taken as conclusive evidence because of the lack of real data for 400 to 500 years ago.

Now, if your interested in going to the Scripps Oceanographic Website,https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/ which includes the daily atmospheric CO2 readings that have been carried out at Mauna Loa since the 1950's...as well as adding in historic ice core readings going back 800,000 years, at no time did CO2 levels in our atmosphere exceed 300 ppm before the start of the Industrial Revolution in the 1820's. Most of the period, CO2 oscillated between 180 as a lower minimum...correlating with the peak of ice ages and 300.

So, the medieval fluctuations in temperatures occurred at a time before our interference and disruption of the natural system controlled by positive and negative feedback effects. But since 1820, we have been slowly at first...adding too much carbon to the atmosphere for vegetation and rock weathering (negative feedbacks) to re-absorb out of the atmosphere. And what is most alarming today...but poorly reported in MSM, is that the rate of GHG increases in the atmosphere keep climbing year after year, in spite of claims by member nations of bullshit conferences like the Paris Accord..that they are reducing carbon emissions and similar bullshit claims that the "new" economy has decoupled from energy increases.

As I've said before, the climate change denial by those who say "yes global warming is a big problem" are worse than the denial of those like you who declare there's no crisis, because they focus on profit-driven green alternatives to energy production, like building more windmills and solar panels that are presented in MSM as the definitive answer, while ignoring the at least 30% of GHG emissions from industrial agriculture and carbon outputs from military sources.
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