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Old September 17th, 2017, 08:56 AM   #1
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We listened to Bernie Sanders this

morning, while he tried to explain how he would pay for his single payer health care. One big point of his to remember...he said the amount the employers and the employees now pay for provided health care would...transfer to his plan...in short words...to the government and not the insurance companies. Hmmm, doesn't sound like it would be any cheaper for anyone...and all health care decisions requirements, regulations/rules etc would rest firmly in control of some agency in DC.

Any clear thinking person knows the government never does anything "cheaper" than private business. Why would anyone want to just "change" who gets the money?

imo, it sounds much more beneficial...on all counts to change some things, oike buying across state lines, pool buying by groups of people, better ways to reduce prescription costs/negotiations etc.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 08:59 AM   #2
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Medicare is cheaper than the private market. Insurance companies are just really expensive middlemen. Anyone that has a clue always tries to get around the middleman in their private finances.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 09:06 AM   #3
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Medicare is cheaper than the private market. Insurance companies are just really expensive middlemen. Anyone that has a clue always tries to get around the middleman in their private finances.
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iting*tighter profit margins, the chief executive of the Mayo Clinic recently told his employees that the prestigious health system will prioritize the care of privately insured patients over those on Medicare and Medicaid.

That bold pronouncement by Dr. John Noseworthy —*made in a speech to employees late last year —*reflects the growing unease among hospital executives who are watching profits shrink due to steady increases in the number of government-insured patients. Medicaid, whose enrollment has increased dramatically under the Affordable Care Act, traditionally pays hospitals significantly less than commercial insurers.

“We’re asking … if the patient has commercial insurance, or [if] they’re Medicaid or Medicare patients and they’re equal, that we prioritize the commercial insured patients enough so … we can be financially strong at the end of the year,” Noseworthy said.





https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/15/...icare-medcaid/
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Old September 17th, 2017, 09:39 AM   #4
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Any clear thinking person knows the government never does anything "cheaper" than private business. .
Yet of the 35 developed nations in the world 34 of them run universal health systems supervised to various degrees by their governments which are far cheaper than the 1 that doesn't have a universal health system, the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbM6pzCIDo
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Old September 17th, 2017, 09:40 AM   #5
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Yet of the 35 developed nations in the world 34 of them run universal health systems supervised to various degrees by their governments which are far cheaper than the 1 that doesn't have a universal health system, the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbM6pzCIDo
And in none of them is there any meaningful desire to change it.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #6
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iting*tighter profit margins, the chief executive of the Mayo Clinic recently told his employees that the prestigious health system will prioritize the care of privately insured patients over those on Medicare and Medicaid.

That bold pronouncement by Dr. John Noseworthy —*made in a speech to employees late last year —*reflects the growing unease among hospital executives who are watching profits shrink due to steady increases in the number of government-insured patients. Medicaid, whose enrollment has increased dramatically under the Affordable Care Act, traditionally pays hospitals significantly less than commercial insurers.

“We’re asking … if the patient has commercial insurance, or [if] they’re Medicaid or Medicare patients and they’re equal, that we prioritize the commercial insured patients enough so … we can be financially strong at the end of the year,” Noseworthy said.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/15/...icare-medcaid/
You provided evidence condemning for-profit healthcare.

It's a "sick" concept.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 10:13 AM   #7
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morning, while he tried to explain how he would pay for his single payer health care. One big point of his to remember...he said the amount the employers and the employees now pay for provided health care would...transfer to his plan...in short words...to the government and not the insurance companies. Hmmm, doesn't sound like it would be any cheaper for anyone...and all health care decisions requirements, regulations/rules etc would rest firmly in control of some agency in DC.

Any clear thinking person knows the government never does anything "cheaper" than private business. Why would anyone want to just "change" who gets the money?

imo, it sounds much more beneficial...on all counts to change some things, oike buying across state lines, pool buying by groups of people, better ways to reduce prescription costs/negotiations etc.
The old Bernie...prior to joining the Senate and effectively becoming a Democrat, would have found all the money necessary by cutting America's bloated military and security state budgets in half! There'd be plenty of money for funding a national healthcare plan, billions for building and replacing old infrastructure and even building that wall Donald wants so badly...or maybe he could convinced to build something more productive...like a pyramid in the Nevada desert.

*and sure as shit, it would be cheaper to adequately cover the entire population than dealing with for-profit insurance vultures! Every citizen in Canada is covered by our national health care plans at about half the cost the US pays to let the poor and the sick fall through the cracks and die in bankruptcy!
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Old September 17th, 2017, 12:18 PM   #8
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Will someone please sit this idiot Sanders down and slooooowly explain the US Constitution to him <and a couple of posters here>???..The Federal Government was never intended to be involved with the individual citizen.....That was reserved for the States...

If you need proof of this....consider how Davis v Helvering allowed the floodgates to open...resulting in the massive US deficit of today...over $100 trillion in unfunded mandates.....

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Old September 17th, 2017, 04:30 PM   #9
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Medicare cheaper? Is it really? It pays only 80% or what the Medicare price of covered items are...and those are way below the normal charges of todays Dr's and hospitals. If one wants prescription coverage that has to come through their own private health insurance . More and more Drs will not take Medicare patients...both because of the low reimbursement "schedules" and the huge pile of paper work...all costing them and having to be passed on to other patients.

Both the Medicare individual payments and those for supplemental insurance go up ...every year.

AND, why change when Sanders says to pay for the change the money being spent now, will be just transferred to the government? Wont cost less...and a lot more 'rules" set in DC.

Also IF all the other nations have as good a health "care", why do the wealthy come to this nation to have serious conditions taken care of...and how long do those ..say in Canada...have to wait to have prescribed procedures performed...like a hip replacement and many others?
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You provided evidence condemning for-profit healthcare.

It's a "sick" concept.
Innovation is sparked by profit. Without profit you have stagnation.
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