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Old October 6th, 2017, 10:07 AM   #11
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People who never heard of bump-stocks a week ago are now experts on them.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 11:42 AM   #12
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Even if the bump-stock does in some trivial way modify the external appearance of the firearm, it is a bizarre and extreme distortion to call it a "cosmetic feature".

The bump-stock substantially increases the reliable rate of fire of a semi-auto firearm, for the average shooter.

That's not cosmetic.
That's functional. It alters the function of the weapon.
OMG. The bump fire stock does no such things. It is unreliable in the mode that simulates full auto and you see that the nature of the physics involved, it is much more inaccurate. Paddock had TEN suitcases full of weapons and ammo. He kills 59 people. Omar Mateen had ONE rifle, NO bump stock and he kills 49 victims. You do the math.
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These things aren't needed and I think the USSC would uphold the legality of the ban.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 11:44 AM   #14
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OMG. The bump fire stock does no such things. It is unreliable in the mode that simulates full auto and you see that the nature of the physics involved, it is much more inaccurate. Paddock had TEN suitcases full of weapons and ammo. He kills 59 people. Omar Mateen had ONE rifle, NO bump stock and he kills 49 victims. You do the math.
HEY, Titan is NEVER wrong, just ask him.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #15
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Honestly though, imo a bump stock is designed to allow automatic fire, in a crude way from a semi-auto firearm. It was a fuck up imo to allow it. I agree with reasonable gun laws, such as requiring yearly background checks and special fees to own a automatic firearm. A bumstock, albeit not nearly as effective as the real thing, is a way around that. I think the NRA is right
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Old October 6th, 2017, 11:51 AM   #16
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So your position is:

- either Democrats are not liberals, or

- you're dismally under-informed about what Pelosi and Schumer have been up to lately.
The Las Vegas massacre has only intensified their focus on the issue.
Your reading skills are scary. How in the HELL do you come to your conclusions?

Let me be unequivocally clear with you:

1) Virtually all Democrats are liberal to socialist

2) Pelosi and Schumer are scum of the earth and I can't look at either of them without becoming nauseated

3) The liberals, Democrats, gun haters don't give a rip about saving lives. Their agenda consists of screwing with the Constitution and banning guns. They are not going to have any serious "debate" because if you have to get to the ROOT of the issue which most assuredly is NOT gun control as a prevention to mass murders, they go to snooze mode

4) As soon as the hoopla over bump fire stocks dies off, the Nancy Pelosis and Chuckie Schumers will hide under their rocks, never to utter a peep about how to reduce the carnage without gun control. No sir, they will wait until the next crisis and then come out to tell us about those evil guns.

Honestly, if those people are so in love with socialism, communism and tyranny, I wish they would board a plane, leave the U.S. and live under those forms of government our forefathers rejected when they established this Republic.
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HEY, Titan is NEVER wrong, just ask him.
Neither is discollector, just look at his posts and how he always claims the other person doesn't know how to read.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #18
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"OMG. The bump fire stock does no such things." dc #12
a) I'm EXTREMELY grateful for your attempt at correction. So let's take the methodical approach, please.

What "no such things" is it you allege it does not do?

b) Please define your terms.
I've read the same reports you have.
Most of them say "simulated auto-fire".

To determine whether it's merely "simulated", or whether there's actually projectiles exiting the muzzle, we may benefit from defining precisely what "auto-fire" is, and then distinguishing BY DEFINITION what the difference between "auto-fire", and "simulated auto-fire" is.

Again, I'm enormously grateful to you for offering this important education / correction. Please proceed.
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"It is unreliable"
The shooter seems to have had enough range experience to have learned that, thus the arsenal he brought with him.
If one failed, he had numerous spares.
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"it is much more inaccurate."
Yes, less accurate.
That's extremely typical of the auto-fire vs semi-auto contrast.
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"Paddock had TEN suitcases full of weapons and ammo. He kills 59 people. Omar Mateen had ONE rifle, NO bump stock and he kills 49 victims. You do the math."
I strongly suspect you have a point here. I wouldn't hazard a guess as to what it might be.

Question: how many weapons did the Las Vegas shooter fire in his massacre?

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Lest you pretend I'm some sort of ignorant noramus, I'm an honorably discharged United States military Vietnam era veteran. I've qualified with multiple weapons both semi-auto, and auto-fire, & the 12 ga. pump.
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Honestly though, imo a bump stock is designed to allow automatic fire, in a crude way from a semi-auto firearm. It was a fuck up imo to allow it. I agree with reasonable gun laws, such as requiring yearly background checks and special fees to own a automatic firearm. A bumstock, albeit not nearly as effective as the real thing, is a way around that. I think the NRA is right
LMFAO Allow it? Really?

The government never granted you a Right to keep and bear Arms. THAT is NOT within their constitutional authority.

Therein lies the problem. Today it's a bump fire stock, then it's flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, magazines, folding stocks, telescoping stocks, short barrels, long barrels, red dot sights... or whatever other feature the libs don't like.

Dude, for real, the side you stand on took a giant dump on the Constitution years ago:

1) Allowing us to exercise a Right not granted by the Constitution?

2) Yearly background checks to exercise a Right? Have you ever heard of the Fourth Amendment?

3) Special fees to exercise a Right??? You mean gun owners will be second class citizens?
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LMFAO Allow it? Really?

The government never granted you a Right to keep and bear Arms. THAT is NOT within their constitutional authority.

Therein lies the problem. Today it's a bump fire stock, then it's flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, magazines, folding stocks, telescoping stocks, short barrels, long barrels, red dot sights... or whatever other feature the libs don't like.

Dude, for real, the side you stand on took a giant dump on the Constitution years ago:

1) Allowing us to exercise a Right not granted by the Constitution?

2) Yearly background checks to exercise a Right? Have you ever heard of the Fourth Amendment?

3) Special fees to exercise a Right??? You mean gun owners will be second class citizens?
The fourth amendment died with the advent of the Patriot Act
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