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Old October 6th, 2017, 03:52 PM   #31
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The National Rifle Association (NRA) bump-stock gambit: Good Idea? Will it work?

The recent Las Vegas massacre was perpetrated against a densely packed crowd, with maximum rate of fire sprayed indiscriminately over them.

This maximum rate of fire was made possible by a simple after-market add-on replacement rifle stock.
The "bump-stock" replacement enables a single trigger pull to empty the magazine, converting a semi-auto fire* weapon to an auto-fire weapon.

The U.S. NRA has been self-radicalizing for decades.
So this post-massacre NRA announcement of willingness to consider restricting sales of bump-stock equipment may surprise some.

BUT !!

Turns out the NRA has what gun-banners may perceive as a poison pill to add.
Preliminary reports indicate the NRA wants to trade cooperation on bump-stock restrictions, for interState concealed carry reciprocity.

What do you think? Good idea?

What would President you do?

What will President Trump do?

* semi-auto fire means one trigger pull = on cartridge fired
Thanks for telling me what 'bump stock' means. I had an idea that it has a spring loaded stock to ease the pressure on my shoulder when firing a semi-auto rifle.

Since bump stock turns a semi-auto to full-auto then that should be a jailable offense of not less than two years and a $10,000 fine.
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It is not just a simple matter of converting to a bump-stock. In nearly all cases, you also need to modify the trigger. Most commercial rifles and carbines come with manufacturer triggers that require a pull that is too heavy to work with bump-stocks.

The irony is that the heavier the caliber and the higher the magazine or drum capacity, the less efficient the bump-stock works. For must guns, it is really difficult to get into what you guys imagine as the "automatic fire rate" in the earlier rounds. You pop of one round, then two, then three, then then 4-5, then you dump off the last twenty rounds in ever increasing cyclic rate as the weapon gets lighter and lighter as each bullet exits down the barrel and each casing ejected. It is remarkably inaccurate, and prior to the Vegas shooting, only recreational shooters bought the damn things - these are the guys that for the most part have no idea what the gun sights are for and feel great jubilation when a single round out of thirty manage to hit a watermelon.

It is impossible for someone to sustain the rate of fire with a bump-stock as they would with a true automatic, and at a great differential in accuracy as bipods and tripods are no longer much of a factor.

It was all the muzzle flashes at nighttime that allowed LEO's on the ground to find approximate location of the source of fire, and then it was all the needless rounds shot that triggered the smoke alarm to isolate his suite. A good marksman with a Soviet era Dragonov kitted with a decent scope and flash suppressor would have managed to fire less rounds, but for a longer duration, and killing many more.

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As if they could not see the broken out windows? What, no night vision for LVPD SWAT?
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A whole lot of noise, and maybe a ban on bump stocks.
Who are the major bump stock manufacturers? How many lobbyists doe they employ?
How much do they contribute to political campaigns?

You might very well see bump stocks get banned.

The only thing we know for sure, is that this kind of thing is going to happen again and again.
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As if they could not see the broken out windows? What, no night vision for LVPD SWAT?
Really?

In order to take out the shooter, you're firing at night, thirty stories up and most likely the only thing you hit from the ground is the ceiling above the broken window.
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A whole lot of noise, and maybe a ban on bump stocks.
Who are the major bump stock manufacturers? How many lobbyists doe they employ?
How much do they contribute to political campaigns?

You might very well see bump stocks get banned.

The only thing we know for sure, is that this kind of thing is going to happen again and again.
BOTH sides want to complain about the problem, but nobody wants to think outside the box and fix it without gun control.

Mass shootings could be reduced to damn near nothing, but both sides are content to wring their hands and say if they can't have gun control, they can't fix what's wrong.
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Really?

In order to take out the shooter, you're firing at night, thirty stories up and most likely the only thing you hit from the ground is the ceiling above the broken window.
SWAT should have Willie Petered his ass. White Phosphorous that self-ignites instantly when exposed to air and looks like a beautiful flower. Geneva Convention: used for illumination only but takes out a pill box by sucking the oxygen out of the air. The LV shooter was basically in a pill box.
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Mass shootings could be reduced to damn near nothing, but both sides are content to wring their hands and say if they can't have gun control, they can't fix what's wrong." dc #36
I've already commented about the Switzerland model.
There private possession of military grade firearms is the standard.

Yet despite their superior arms, their per capita gun violence is a small fraction of that in the U.S.

I've also already commented that in Switzerland, healthcare, including mental health care, is more readily obtained.

Would you accuse me of thinking "outside the box" if I suggested the solution to these insane gun massacres like at Columbine, Sandy Hook, & now Vegas may be healthcare related?

Yet Speaker Ryan (R) and Majority Leader McConnell (R) have made repeated recent attempts to repeal & replace ACA with their own plans that would REDUCE health coverage by a reported tens of millions over ten years.
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I've already commented about the Switzerland model.
There private possession of military grade firearms is the standard.

Yet despite their superior arms, their per capita gun violence is a small fraction of that in the U.S.

I've also already commented that in Switzerland, healthcare, including mental health care, is more readily obtained.

Would you accuse me of thinking "outside the box" if I suggested the solution to these insane gun massacres like at Columbine, Sandy Hook, & now Vegas may be healthcare related?

Yet Speaker Ryan (R) and Majority Leader McConnell (R) have made repeated recent attempts to repeal & replace ACA with their own plans that would REDUCE health coverage by a reported tens of millions over ten years.
Move to Switzerland if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen. Just kidding : )
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Oh, so sometimes black robes legislating from the bench is OK after all. And of course only you get to choose when.
You're being hypocritical (nothing new.) Whether you like the interpretation or not, that was the law. Texas echoed the same sentiment. The United States Supreme Court validated the sentiment.

So, you had a Second Amendment AND you had a final interpretation on the law. Where I part company with you and the other liberals is that the United States Supreme Court should not be able to come back and relitigate a ruling. That's not their job.

On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed. - Thomas Jefferson

"If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed." George Washington

I've noticed in this discussion, the liberals have had to resort to innuendo, posting cartoons of bombs being used (NOT a Second Amendment issue) and even suggesting I'm "projecting" when, in fact, I have tried the bump stock out against standard semi auto fire in the M4 carbine.

Be that as it may, the real issue transcends the Second Amendment. At the risk of being too long winded, here it is:

In the Heller v. DC ruling the United States Supreme Court ruled that " Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited."

Really? Now you have people running around (RNC's kind of people anyway) claiming that NO right is unlimited. Even in Heller, the high Court says most rights (sic.) So, which "rights" would that be? AND, the prior precedents were unequivocal. "The Second Amendment is NOT a Right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it dependent upon that instrument for its existence." Cruikshank ruling

"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can. Samuel Adams, American statesman, political philosopher and one of the Founding Fathers of the United States


"17th-century Englishman John Locke, philosopher discussed natural rights in his work, identifying them as being "life, liberty, and estate (property)", and argued that such fundamental rights could not be surrendered in the social contract Preservation of the natural rights to life, liberty, and property was claimed as justification for the rebellion of the American colonies. As George Mason stated in his draft for the Virginia Declaration of Rights, "all men are born equally free," and hold "certain inherent natural rights, of which they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

" The absolute rights of individuals may be resolved into the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and the right to acquire and enjoy property. These rights are declared to be natural, inherent, and unalienable." Atchison & N. R. Co. v. Baty, 6 Neb. 37, 40, 29 Am. Rep. 356.

Inherent, unalienable, natural, God given Rights as the founding fathers and early courts ruled on seem pretty absolute to me. THAT is the real issue at hand. Just as the colonists rebelled over a small insignificant tax on tea because of the broader implications, I'm taking the same view with respect to the assault on unalienable Rights.
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