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Old October 6th, 2017, 06:02 AM   #1
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The NRA's bump-stock gambit: Good Idea? Will it work?

The National Rifle Association (NRA) bump-stock gambit: Good Idea? Will it work?

The recent Las Vegas massacre was perpetrated against a densely packed crowd, with maximum rate of fire sprayed indiscriminately over them.

This maximum rate of fire was made possible by a simple after-market add-on replacement rifle stock.
The "bump-stock" replacement enables a single trigger pull to empty the magazine, converting a semi-auto fire* weapon to an auto-fire weapon.

The U.S. NRA has been self-radicalizing for decades.
So this post-massacre NRA announcement of willingness to consider restricting sales of bump-stock equipment may surprise some.

BUT !!

Turns out the NRA has what gun-banners may perceive as a poison pill to add.
Preliminary reports indicate the NRA wants to trade cooperation on bump-stock restrictions, for interState concealed carry reciprocity.

What do you think? Good idea?

What would President you do?

What will President Trump do?

* semi-auto fire means one trigger pull = on cartridge fired
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Old October 6th, 2017, 06:17 AM   #2
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The NRA, as has been revealed through its many legislative victories on gun matters over the years, is not dumb. And the group's decision to be for further regulation of bump stocks is clearly a strategic move aimed at avoiding any more sweeping or comprehensive attempts at gun control. .... an organization as politically aware of itself as the NRA is never not keeping an eye on its politics.

The NRA's quick response to Vegas is nothing more than a distraction. "Make no mistake: This move on bump stocks is an attempt by the NRA to stop a broad public debate on guns before it really begins in earnest. And it almost certainly will work."

The NRA's strategic ploy on bump stocks - CNNPolitics
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Old October 6th, 2017, 06:34 AM   #3
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"This move on bump stocks is an attempt by the NRA to stop a broad public debate on guns before it really begins in earnest." C0
We've been getting that from our Republican congressional leadership.

Surely, the day after "the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history" it's not inappropriate for reporters to ask our political leaders questions on the topic.

Yet Speaker Ryan (R), Majority Leader McConnell (R) and President Trump (R) have each said this is not the time to talk about that.

a) If not now, when ?!

b) The reason they say that is, after such massacres, the Republican position is least politically defensible.

They know that.
Thus their refusal to address the issue.

Even the NRA has more political spine than that!
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Old October 6th, 2017, 06:45 AM   #4
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The National Rifle Association (NRA) bump-stock gambit: Good Idea? Will it work?

The recent Las Vegas massacre was perpetrated against a densely packed crowd, with maximum rate of fire sprayed indiscriminately over them.

This maximum rate of fire was made possible by a simple after-market add-on replacement rifle stock.
The "bump-stock" replacement enables a single trigger pull to empty the magazine, converting a semi-auto fire* weapon to an auto-fire weapon.

The U.S. NRA has been self-radicalizing for decades.
So this post-massacre NRA announcement of willingness to consider restricting sales of bump-stock equipment may surprise some.

BUT !!

Turns out the NRA has what gun-banners may perceive as a poison pill to add.
Preliminary reports indicate the NRA wants to trade cooperation on bump-stock restrictions, for interState concealed carry reciprocity.

What do you think? Good idea?

What would President you do?

What will President Trump do?

* semi-auto fire means one trigger pull = on cartridge fired
I would not support the idea of doing any kind of ban on cosmetic features, but the trade would be better than nothing. IF such a bill passes, praise God that we don't have the line item veto the Republicans always harp on.

If you ban one cosmetic feature, then the door is open for any and all cosmetic features... and ultimately the weapon itself.


"The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree...

Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243 (1846)
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The NRA, as has been revealed through its many legislative victories on gun matters over the years, is not dumb. And the group's decision to be for further regulation of bump stocks is clearly a strategic move aimed at avoiding any more sweeping or comprehensive attempts at gun control. .... an organization as politically aware of itself as the NRA is never not keeping an eye on its politics.

The NRA's quick response to Vegas is nothing more than a distraction. "Make no mistake: This move on bump stocks is an attempt by the NRA to stop a broad public debate on guns before it really begins in earnest. And it almost certainly will work."

The NRA's strategic ploy on bump stocks - CNNPolitics
If I were in the debate, there's not a liberal on God's green earth that would look forward to a debate on gun control.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 06:49 AM   #6
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Even if the bump-stock does in some trivial way modify the external appearance of the firearm, it is a bizarre and extreme distortion to call it a "cosmetic feature".

The bump-stock substantially increases the reliable rate of fire of a semi-auto firearm, for the average shooter.

That's not cosmetic.
That's functional. It alters the function of the weapon.
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Old October 6th, 2017, 06:52 AM   #7
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"If I were in the debate, there's not a liberal on God's green earth that would look forward to a debate on gun control." d #5
So your position is:

- either Democrats are not liberals, or

- you're dismally under-informed about what Pelosi and Schumer have been up to lately.
The Las Vegas massacre has only intensified their focus on the issue.
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The NRA, as has been revealed through its many legislative victories on gun matters over the years, is not dumb. And the group's decision to be for further regulation of bump stocks is clearly a strategic move aimed at avoiding any more sweeping or comprehensive attempts at gun control. .... an organization as politically aware of itself as the NRA is never not keeping an eye on its politics.

The NRA's quick response to Vegas is nothing more than a distraction. "Make no mistake: This move on bump stocks is an attempt by the NRA to stop a broad public debate on guns before it really begins in earnest. And it almost certainly will work."

The NRA's strategic ploy on bump stocks - CNNPolitics
The NRA never opposed legislation of Bump Stocks.. But the Obama Amdenstration ATF chose not to seek a ruling on the law.

So the Bump Stock Legality is totally at the feet of the Previous President, who chose to do nothing..
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Even if the bump-stock does in some trivial way modify the external appearance of the firearm, it is a bizarre and extreme distortion to call it a "cosmetic feature".

The bump-stock substantially increases the reliable rate of fire of a semi-auto firearm, for the average shooter.

That's not cosmetic.
That's functional. It alters the function of the weapon.
you can do the same thing with a belt loop or a Velcro Strip
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Old October 6th, 2017, 09:40 AM   #10
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Baning "bump stops" makes more sence than Suppressors from a practical position but in reality it is silly. They are easy to manufacture.


We need less laws not more.
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