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Old October 6th, 2017, 08:23 AM   #1
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After Four Years IRS Finally Confirms There Was No Targeting Of Teaparty Groups

Let’s take a trip down memory lane. Do you remember Lois Lerner? BOLO? IRS audits of tea party organizations?

Sure you do. Back in 2013 Republicans were on the warpath over this. The IRS had identified dozens, maybe hundreds, of tea party organizations for extreme audits becasue of their political leanings.

These groups were being denied tax-exempt status thanks to crooked officials like Lois Lerner, who maintained a “Be On The Lookout” list that shunted these groups into a confusing maze of questions and demands that lasted for months or years, all because of suspicious words like “patriot” or “9/12” in their names. It was a scandal.

That same year, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration released an audit that confirmed some of these charges. True, they also identified some progressive organizations that were audited, but it was clear that it was tea partiers they were really after.

Well, funny story. It turns out that the 2013 audit was based on incomplete information because the IRS didn’t maintain case listings for most of the BOLO criteria. So TIGTA conducted a second audit. This one took a lot longer because they had to find and individually review all the cases themselves. Four years later it’s finally been released. Here’s how it shook out:

927 cases requested
919 cases received
739 cases reviewed
181 political cases identified
146 political cases based on BOLO criteria

And what did TIGTA find? Of these 146 cases which received extra review based on words in the organization’s name, a grand total of ten were tea-party groups. Here’s the whole chart:




“We the people” and “pink slip” are associated with tea-party groups. In total, the IRS audited 111 left-wing groups and 19 right-wing groups based on BOLO criteria. (It’s unclear how the “healthcare” category broke out between left and right.)

Note that this audit is not based on miscellaneous PowerPoint presentations or emails. It’s based on actual cases referred for audit. Of those, only 15 percent were conservative groups. That’s it. The vast majority were liberal groups.

House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady, who was one of the ringleaders of the original Lois Lerner lynching, is pretending that the new audit confirms what “government watchdogs” like Kevin Brady have been saying all along: “Bureaucrats at the IRS, such as Lois Lerner, arbitrarily and haphazardly administered the tax code and targeted taxpayers based on political ideology.”

No. That’s not what they were saying at the time. They said the Obama IRS was corruptly targeting conservative groups for harrassment. But they weren’t. Whether or not the BOLO list was a good idea, it never had anything to do with Obama. It got its start back in 2004, and during the Obama administration it was mostly used to target liberal groups.

There was nothing to any of this. There was never anything to it. Just a couple of PowerPoint presentations that were blown up into a “scandal” that never existed. But it took four years to officially confirm that.

Back in June 2013, Jon Chait wrote this:

Do you remember how all-consuming the “Obama scandals” once were? This was a turn of events so dramatic it defined Obama’s entire second term — he was “waylaid by controversies,” or at least “seriously off track,” “beset by scandals,” enduring a “second-term curse,” the prospect of “endless scandals,” Republicans “beginning to write his legislative obituary,” and Washington had “turned on Obama.” A ritualistic media grilling of Jay Carney, featuring the ritualistic comparisons of him to Nixon press secretary Ron Ziegler, sanctified the impression of guilt.

Four years later, we know even more about the “Big Three” scandals. It turns out there was never the slightest scandal associated with Benghazi. There was no IRS scandal. And Obama’s prosecution of leaks may have been unwise policy, but there was never anything remotely corrupt about it.

Oh, and Hillary Clinton’s emails? The more we found out about that, the less there was. Ditto for the Clinton Foundation. And her health. Hillary Clinton had her own Big Three scandals, and they turned out to be just as baseless as Obama’s. Imagine that.


After Four Years, IRS Finally Confirms There Was No Targeting of Tea Party Groups ? Mother Jones
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So the IRS is guilty of across the board intrusiveness? Were the Progressive groups subjected to the same fallow-up scrutiny as the Tea Party? No matter how you spin it, the Tea-Party was targeted.
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Let’s take a trip down memory lane. Do you remember Lois Lerner? BOLO? IRS audits of tea party organizations?

Sure you do. Back in 2013 Republicans were on the warpath over this. The IRS had identified dozens, maybe hundreds, of tea party organizations for extreme audits becasue of their political leanings.

These groups were being denied tax-exempt status thanks to crooked officials like Lois Lerner, who maintained a “Be On The Lookout” list that shunted these groups into a confusing maze of questions and demands that lasted for months or years, all because of suspicious words like “patriot” or “9/12” in their names. It was a scandal.

That same year, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration released an audit that confirmed some of these charges. True, they also identified some progressive organizations that were audited, but it was clear that it was tea partiers they were really after.

Well, funny story. It turns out that the 2013 audit was based on incomplete information because the IRS didn’t maintain case listings for most of the BOLO criteria. So TIGTA conducted a second audit. This one took a lot longer because they had to find and individually review all the cases themselves. Four years later it’s finally been released. Here’s how it shook out:

927 cases requested
919 cases received
739 cases reviewed
181 political cases identified
146 political cases based on BOLO criteria

And what did TIGTA find? Of these 146 cases which received extra review based on words in the organization’s name, a grand total of ten were tea-party groups. Here’s the whole chart:




“We the people” and “pink slip” are associated with tea-party groups. In total, the IRS audited 111 left-wing groups and 19 right-wing groups based on BOLO criteria. (It’s unclear how the “healthcare” category broke out between left and right.)

Note that this audit is not based on miscellaneous PowerPoint presentations or emails. It’s based on actual cases referred for audit. Of those, only 15 percent were conservative groups. That’s it. The vast majority were liberal groups.

House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady, who was one of the ringleaders of the original Lois Lerner lynching, is pretending that the new audit confirms what “government watchdogs” like Kevin Brady have been saying all along: “Bureaucrats at the IRS, such as Lois Lerner, arbitrarily and haphazardly administered the tax code and targeted taxpayers based on political ideology.”

No. That’s not what they were saying at the time. They said the Obama IRS was corruptly targeting conservative groups for harrassment. But they weren’t. Whether or not the BOLO list was a good idea, it never had anything to do with Obama. It got its start back in 2004, and during the Obama administration it was mostly used to target liberal groups.

There was nothing to any of this. There was never anything to it. Just a couple of PowerPoint presentations that were blown up into a “scandal” that never existed. But it took four years to officially confirm that.

Back in June 2013, Jon Chait wrote this:

Do you remember how all-consuming the “Obama scandals” once were? This was a turn of events so dramatic it defined Obama’s entire second term — he was “waylaid by controversies,” or at least “seriously off track,” “beset by scandals,” enduring a “second-term curse,” the prospect of “endless scandals,” Republicans “beginning to write his legislative obituary,” and Washington had “turned on Obama.” A ritualistic media grilling of Jay Carney, featuring the ritualistic comparisons of him to Nixon press secretary Ron Ziegler, sanctified the impression of guilt.

Four years later, we know even more about the “Big Three” scandals. It turns out there was never the slightest scandal associated with Benghazi. There was no IRS scandal. And Obama’s prosecution of leaks may have been unwise policy, but there was never anything remotely corrupt about it.

Oh, and Hillary Clinton’s emails? The more we found out about that, the less there was. Ditto for the Clinton Foundation. And her health. Hillary Clinton had her own Big Three scandals, and they turned out to be just as baseless as Obama’s. Imagine that.


After Four Years, IRS Finally Confirms There Was No Targeting of Tea Party Groups ? Mother Jones
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So the IRS is guilty of across the board intrusiveness? Were the Progressive groups subjected to the same fallow-up scrutiny as the Tea Party? No matter how you spin it, the Tea-Party was targeted.
An actual audit isn't spin.

Your reply is spin.

As stupid as you now look, your reply isn't that surprising.

And for your future information.

The IRS is charged with investigating whether or not someone is lying on an application. They have a duty to weed out those that are lying, and prosecute offenders to the fullest extent of the law.

Being a conservative group, does not grant one immunity from investigation and prosecution should it be warranted.

Now that an accurate audit has been completed, the IRS should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law any teaparty group that has been shown to have lied on a tax exempt application, if it is shown they are not a charity but a front group for political activity.
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An actual audit isn't spin.

Your reply is spin.

As stupid as you now look, your reply isn't that surprising.

And for your future information.

The IRS is charged with investigating whether or not someone is lying on an application. They have a duty to weed out those that are lying, and prosecute offenders to the fullest extent of the law.

Being a conservative group, does not grant one immunity from investigation and prosecution should it be warranted.

Now that an accurate audit has been completed, the IRS should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law any teaparty group that has been shown to have lied on a tax exempt application, if it is shown they are not a charity but a front group for political activity.
Again, you fail to address the question. Were Progressives subjected to the same fallow-up scrutiny as the Tea Party?
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Again, you fail to address the question. Were Progressives subjected to the same fallow-up scrutiny as the Tea Party?
skews will NEVER answer a direct question, his MO is to preach, not actually debate. That's why he abandon's his threads when he gets cornered.
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Again, you fail to address the question. Were Progressives subjected to the same fallow-up scrutiny as the Tea Party?
They were treated the same, there was no Obama lead targeting of Teaparty groups, that has been obvious ever since the story first broke.

I don't believe that actual facts will change the minds of the delusional morons who will continue to believe that Obama ordered the IRS to target right wing groups.

That's why no one takes their opinions seriously.
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They were treated the same, there was no Obama lead targeting of Teaparty groups, that has been obvious ever since the story first broke.

I don't believe that actual facts will change the minds of the delusional morons who will continue to believe that Obama ordered the IRS to target right wing groups.

That's why no one takes their opinions seriously.
Then why did the IRS apologize for subjecting the Tea Party groups to additional scrutiny? Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews. Her remarks, which came at an American Bar Association gathering, were first reported by the Associated Press.

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Then why did the IRS apologize for subjecting the Tea Party groups to additional scrutiny? Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews. Her remarks, which came at an American Bar Association gathering, were first reported by the Associated Press.

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Cherry picked nonsense.
You have been misinformed, people lied to you to make you hate Obama, it worked.
You got fooled. Flim Flammed, Scammed, PWNED.
You are the victim of propaganda aimed at weak minded people...
What are you going to do to avoid looking like an idiot in the future?
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Cherry picked nonsense.
You have been misinformed, people lied to you to make you hate Obama, it worked.
You got fooled. Flim Flammed, Scammed, PWNED.
You are the victim of propaganda aimed at weak minded people...
What are you going to do to avoid looking like an idiot in the future?
Looks like the same people are working the magic on you guys w/ trump.
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