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Old October 10th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #21
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It was wrong then too. Slavery/genocide is objectively wrong, and there were people who knew it was wrong back then

I did not say I agreed with it....I am saying that even though some people objected to it, in it's time it was a common and acceptable practice.... We look at today as horrendous, but back then (right or wrong) a great many people thought it was acceptable...slave hunters, slave traders, and then the people who used these slave on their farms... The practice had it's own economic leverage....


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Therefore, if we know it's wrong now, why are we "celebrating" it?
I don't know...go ask an Italian....


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Was the Holocaust right because people thought it was right? This is piss poor logic.
The only people who thought it was right were the Nazis.....otherwise People did not know about it...If they had maybe WWII would have ended differently...
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Old October 10th, 2017, 11:59 AM   #22
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You still can't explain how that translates to not being able to take down statues. Nor do you see the correlation between slavery and the Holocaust.

Yea if you could just ve honest and admit you're a White supremacist instead of making these horrible arguments I'd appreciate it.

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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:04 PM   #23
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If you know it's wrong then you shouldn't have an issue with these statues being removed.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:09 PM   #24
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You still can't explain how that translates to not being able to take down statues. Nor do you see the correlation between slavery and the Holocaust.
You are using the tactic of making the argument you want to have...Nobody is saying you can't take the monuments down....What you miss is the fact that not everyone agrees with it, and they have every right to think that way too

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Yea if you could just ve honest and admit you're pro-Confederate instead of making these horrible arguments I'd appreciate it.
I study my history by being neutral and trying to understand the context of the times surrounding it.... I object to people who react to everything with emotion...

btw....my great great grandfather was a Captain in the Union Army and an active member of the GAR...
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You still can't explain how that translates to not being able to take down statues. Nor do you see the correlation between slavery and the Holocaust.

Yea if you could just ve honest and admit you're a White supremacist instead of making these horrible arguments I'd appreciate it.
Hell, everyone who disagrees with you is a "White Supremacist".
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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:20 PM   #26
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You are using the tactic of making the argument you want to have...Nobody is saying you can't take the monuments down....What you miss is the fact that not everyone agrees with it, and they have every right to think that way too




btw....my great great grandfather was a Captain in the Union Army and an active member of the GAR...
I didn't say everyone had to agree with it. You're just being cowardly and dishonest. You can't answer my question, you're just repeating the same debunked argument over and over again.

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I study my history by being neutral and trying to understand the context of the times surrounding it.... I object to people who react to everything with emotion...
I also don't see how anyone can be "neutral" about something that we all know is wrong and shouldn't be commemorated. There isn't anything morally gray about slavery and genocide, and the fact that you believe otherwise is extremely disturbing; it has always been wrong. Whether ppl knew it was wrong or not is irrelevant.

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You're literally trying to make apologies for the murder and enslavement of human beings.
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a group of people tying to get rid of it's history? Just saw a news clip, with a man saying tear down the statues of Columbus...saying Columbus "killed" millions of people and set the route for the slave trade. Also, that the NY City Mayor has appointed a committee to see...what statues should be torn down. What next: all history books burned? Purge all libraries and take out any book with reference to anyone who explored in the nation, made laws in the nation, even historical documents that had influence or were written by such evil people as Jefferson??? Why stop at statues, why not all buildings put up during our past...surely someone connected to the building of them was responsible for all the misery of anyone who might have lived or worked in them.

What a picture is being given to the world, turning visions from the nation that offered more freedom than ever before known, to being one of unacceptable history. Why would anyone want to immigrant to such a terrible place??? What nation will open it's doors to all the refuges that should be flowing out of our borders? I would suggest the first in line...of those abused refugees...should be all those who want to destroy our history.
We are NOT tearing down our history !!!!!! We are simply taking it OUT OF PUBLIC DISPLAY. If YOU want to open a confederate museum on a piece of private property KNOCK YOURSELF OUT !!! We have one here in Nashville. I'm sure these cities would be glad to donate those historical monuments to your museum. I you want to truly understand please read this. This girl explains it far better than I ever could.

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You want to talk about statues? Let's talk about statues.

I am a proud Southern woman.
I drink sweet tea like nobody's business, know the difference between a Western and English saddle, and can make a pecan pie from scratch.
Believe me when I say I love my heritage and my culture.
I grew up one block down from the Chickamauga battlefield in Georgia.
I had picnics in that park, went hiking on those trails with my girl scout troop.
Confederate statues are all too familiar to me.
In fourth grade I took a field trip to Stone Mountain to see the faces of Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson up close and personal.

This is a very fond memory for me of my childhood.
I remember salt water taffy and blown glass figurines in the park.
I remember riding the Summit Skyride and just looking out for miles and miles.
But you know what I don't remember? Anyone telling me,
"These men carved into this mountain are the men that lost the Civil War.
These are the men who fought to be a separate America and lost.
These are the men that fought to keep slaves."
No one took the time to educate me on the real history of these men.
Instead, I was filled with fun, happy thoughts.
How could these guys be bad people?
I mean, they're riding horses, come on!
Every ten year old thinks someone riding a horse is cool.
Now, there's a chance I just wasn't listening, or I didn't read enough wall plaques because I was an easily distracted kid who didn't care too much for history.
This is entirely possible.
But I guaran-damn-tee no one ever said the word slavery to me while I was there.
Not my parents, not my teachers, not the park employees.
The same goes for the Chickamauga Battlefield, less than half a mile from my front door.
No one ever stopped to say, "this is important history because they fought to keep slaves and lost."

All that time I spent staring at sculptures of these men, I never knew they were fighting on the wrong side of history.
Now you bet I heard phrases like "state rights" and "war of northern aggression". But it was always in passing and vague. What state rights? Aggression about what?
No one ever told me, and I didn't know I was supposed to ask because it was all so normal to me.
That's the thing about these memorials.
Do they offend me? No, not particularly.
Because they've been NORMALIZED my whole life.
This is where it is our job to listen to marginalized people that are offended and hurt by these.
If they say these are bad and we should take them down, they're probably right!
Just because we've been taught our whole lives that they're okay, does not make them okay.
The fact that they don't make me uncomfortable IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM.
These statues aren't there to teach us history.
They're there to rewrite history and feed us false perceptions of the Civil War.
They make us comfortable with a very bad cause.
Do you think these white supremacists were radicalized overnight?
They are a direct product of DECADES of misinformation and misdirection.
Of normalization and an overwhelming acceptance of "how it's always been".
The South can no longer fall behind the ideology of how it's always been.
Times are changing, and we should too.
I love being a Southerner. I love my heritage.
But I can be proud of where I come from without embracing a history that never really was.
I can acknowledge my ancestors' mistakes and appreciate the past without glorifying them on pedestals.
We don't need a single Confederate statue.
Not a single one.
Not until they're all accompanied with real teachings and historical lessons, which can happen in a museum.
Not until we have our picnics beside Robert E Lee and describe him to our children as he REALLY was.

Please share this so all centrists and sympathizers can know that yes, you can be a proud Southerner and NOT defend these terrible things.

It's not our fault that we've been misled our whole lives.

But we're adults now, and we no longer have an excuse for not educating ourselves.
I am a proud citizen of the United States of America, not the Confederate States of America.

Guest blogger Rose Sampley, 22, was born and raised in Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia before attending upper school in Chattanooga, Tennessee. She currently resides in Knoxville, Tennessee where she is employed by a local non-profit organization.
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